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Old 08-25-2020 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeTang
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And unfortunately, this is just the first wave.
Those thinking CARES 2 is going to do anything other than postponing the inevitable must be sharing adult beverages or illegal substances with The Stooge.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 08:15 PM
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How is it that we have 3 regionals dead in the water, Every major and LCC forloughing and somehow the highest paid Endevour gets to sing along and start new hire training again?
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Old 08-25-2020 | 08:56 PM
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My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.
Single transportation system definition by the NMB. It has been done before at Eagle.
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Old 08-26-2020 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.
This is exactly the time for them to whipsaw. They’ll cut costs by playing us off each other to avoid furloughs.
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Old 08-26-2020 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dk104444
How is it that we have 3 regionals dead in the water, Every major and LCC forloughing and somehow the highest paid Endevour gets to sing along and start new hire training again?
Honestly? We got extremely lucky.

We were having a hard time filling classes recently, so we were understaffed for the flying that was coming pre-COVID. The word last winter was to expect a summer of credit pushes.

Compass and GoJet were on their ways out with Delta already. Delta axed their flying early, which meant there was less pain to spread. OO went west. We're filling the gaps in ATL, DTW, and (to a lesser extent) MSP.

We're the cheapest DCI carrier left. Our pilot pay is higher, but we don't have the overhead that other airlines do. We use a lot of Delta infrastructure, which doesn't cost Delta much more.

In conclusion? Still extremely lucky.
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Old 08-26-2020 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.
"Combined" might be wishful thinking. I think the current playbook is to shut down one carrier, and offer you "preferential hiring" at the survivor. Senior Captain close to flow one day, new hire F/O at the bottom of another regional seniority list the next. May the odds be ever in your favor.
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Old 08-26-2020 | 02:38 PM
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Expect the worst from dougie and the gang.
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Old 08-26-2020 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Expect the worst from dougie and the gang.
no big surprises there
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Old 08-27-2020 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Unfortunaley, probably around 30-40% of the people who just got their furlough notices are guys that “came over”.
Timing is everything in the industry. It’s also mostly blind luck.
Most of those guys fought through a lot of rough times at EGL on to get to AA and suddenly find even harder times.
Yeah, tell me about it. I'm one of them. Stagnated through the original AA bankruptcy, US Airways merger, numerous contract wars, watching as Parker and Kirby began to dismantle Eagle before our very eyes, etc. Now this. At least the Cares act looks like it'll get extended. I've been in close contact with APA's Government Affairs Committee and they are extremely positive that it'll pass. 99% done were the exact words used. That'll help all of us for now, and hopefully a vaccine and new political landscape will have changed things for the better by next Spring.
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