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pangolin 11-10-2020 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by FullThrust (Post 3154602)
Also, completely unnecessary to let the CA and/or FO know you are non-revving on the flight. If you are jumpseating, then obviously you need to check in. Non-rev? I don’t care, please don’t check in with me up front.

Agree with one exception. IF you are on a jump seat listing, but get a seat in the back, I want to know. First - to know there was a jump seater I may have been unaware of, and second to know that the gate is doing their job to get you on. Why? I fly mostly the same city pairs. We all do. So If I know there are commuters to these cities, I will be aware. I always check if we are booked close to full to see if there are any jump seat listings. I want to get you on.

pangolin 11-10-2020 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by FangsOut03 (Post 3154772)
I just think it’s courteous (pilot to pilot). Yes...every nonrev employee seems excessive.

I only expect to hear from you if you are on a JS listing. Normal non rev - don't care. Deadhead - don't care. Paying Pax - don't care. Just the JS listings should be checking in. Why? Here's why. The JS is at my discretion. No other seat is. Unless you are causing a disturbance, but you get my drift. I can only decide yay or nay on the jump seat. So if you are listed as a jump seater, I want you to check in. Even if you have a seat in the back. Normal non rev - please don't check in.

Av8rPHX 11-10-2020 08:52 AM

Defeating the stigma
 
While we are on the subject...bringing candy/gifts for the crew? I feel like this is a FA/gate agent phenomenon. Commuters would go broke doing this on the regular

(Pre Rona of course)


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pangolin 11-10-2020 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 3156688)
Envoy has the stigma of being cocky, for absolutely no reason. They also have a stigma of sliding airplanes off of runways in the Bahamas.

Being a "top tier" regional is like a top tier porta-john. Either way, you are pooping in a bucket, it smells terrible, and you can't wait to get out of it.

Dude - name an airline, major or regional which has been operational for any length of time that hasn't had a runway excursion.

Thought so.

But seriously 11-10-2020 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3156937)
While we are on the subject...bringing candy/gifts for the crew? I feel like this is a FA/gate agent phenomenon. Commuters would go broke doing this on the regular

(Pre Rona of course)


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I’m in favor of it once in a while, especially if it’s something local or unique (Cherries in TVC, Buckeyes in CMH, etc.) It certainly doesn’t need to be every flight.

When I non-rev with my kids (pre-Rona), I’d always bring a bag of candy for the FA’s. It helps smooth over the inevitable disaster that is about to ensue...

NoValueAviator 11-10-2020 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3156937)
While we are on the subject...bringing candy/gifts for the crew? I feel like this is a FA/gate agent phenomenon. Commuters would go broke doing this on the regular

(Pre Rona of course)


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Some crews seem to love it. Counterintuitively, from what I've seen the smaller the better - i.e. bring like 1 donut per FA instead of a box of 12 donuts. Personally, I just ask my crew what they want from the coffee place if I'm going anyway, and don't ask them to pay. Normally don't bother crews with anything when non-reving. DHing or jumpseating if I can avoid it in good taste and IAW custom, company manuals etc..

I always bring something for the gate agent when I'm listing at the gate for an OAL jumpseat, seems to help enormously and they're very appreciative. I've won over a JB gate agent at Kennedy so thoroughly with a fancy chocolate that he came out and found me in the boarding area a couple times to let me know what was really going on w/ their delay. Very nice guy, may have done it anyway.


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 3156688)
Envoy has the stigma of being cocky, for absolutely no reason. They also have a stigma of sliding airplanes off of runways in the Bahamas.

Being a "top tier" regional is like a top tier porta-john. Either way, you are pooping in a bucket, it smells terrible, and you can't wait to get out of it.

Just a reminder that it's never too late to apologize for dbag posting.

pitchattitude 11-10-2020 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3156932)
Agree with one exception. IF you are on a jump seat listing, but get a seat in the back, I want to know. First - to know there was a jump seater I may have been unaware of, and second to know that the gate is doing their job to get you on. Why? I fly mostly the same city pairs. We all do. So If I know there are commuters to these cities, I will be aware. I always check if we are booked close to full to see if there are any jump seat listings. I want to get you on.

Wait, WHO do you fly for? Same city pairs? Unless you are very senior and choose to do the same day trips, this doesn’t apply to to many people.

FullThrust 11-11-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3157214)
Wait, WHO do you fly for? Same city pairs? Unless you are very senior and choose to do the same day trips, this doesn’t apply to to many people.

I guess he can confidently answer aunt Karen when she asks you “what’s your route?”

pangolin 11-12-2020 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3157214)
Wait, WHO do you fly for? Same city pairs? Unless you are very senior and choose to do the same day trips, this doesn’t apply to to many people.

YV. Out of DFW there’s about 20 Dfw different destinations. I have a pretty good memory about who rides my jump seat.

TransWorld 11-12-2020 09:00 PM

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