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herewego 01-20-2021 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3183607)
Classic pilot rumors.

No-one got fired for that.

Maybe not at Envoy, but it has been confirmed by the student council that is has happened at Skywest multiple times, for that exact reason and then lying about it.

havick206 01-20-2021 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3183607)
Classic pilot rumors.

No-one got fired for that.

Perhaos not lately, but has happened in the past.

Cyio 01-20-2021 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3183607)
Classic pilot rumors.

No-one got fired for that.

Well I know of one for sure that did, however it was more about “why” they were not at their RAP that did them in. Let’s just say telling a major lie on top of missing a rap probably isn’t the best way to handle it.

Either way, tread lightly all.

GHawk 01-20-2021 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 3183647)
Maybe not at Envoy, but it has been confirmed by the student council that is has happened at Skywest multiple times, for that exact reason and then lying about it.

Not surprised at all. Republic has let several pilots go for this and the union can’t help them as the company views it as a “theft of time.” Not a good time to be rolling the dice with your job on the line.

acecrackshot 01-20-2021 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 3183647)
Maybe not at Envoy, but it has been confirmed by the student council that is has happened at Skywest multiple times, for that exact reason and then lying about it.

Ping the IPad and then have all the cause you need.

LAXtoDEN 01-20-2021 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by acecrackshot (Post 3183705)
Ping the IPad and then have all the cause you need.

Yeah that’s exactly what happens. They check the reserve board to see 5 guys ahead of them and figure why commute in on the first day of my 4 day reserve block? Suddenly receive a phone call for an assignment on the first day, immediately panic claim they’re sick or whatever.

At that point it doesn’t matter if your company iPad is off, they can track the location. Once they see your location is in another state outside of base, they start building a case. They’ll check when you flew in, if you flew into base.

The company see’s those actions as time stealing because it is. The individuals fired at OO recently playing reserve roulette had an opportunity to come clean and admit there mistakes and they lied again.

pangolin 01-20-2021 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3183739)
Yeah that’s exactly what happens. They check the reserve board to see 5 guys ahead of them and figure why commute in on the first day of my 4 day reserve block? Suddenly receive a phone call for an assignment on the first day, immediately panic claim they’re sick or whatever.

At that point it doesn’t matter if your company iPad is off, they can track the location. Once they see your location is in another state outside of base, they start building a case. They’ll check when you flew in, if you flew into base.

The company see’s those actions as time stealing because it is. The individuals fired at OO recently playing reserve roulette had an opportunity to come clean and admit there mistakes and they lied again. From everything I’ve hear about any tough situation at SkyWest the minute you lie the chief can’t protect you anymore and you’re done.

Happens at all airlines. Mesa no exception. Happened recently. Yes. Fired.

acecrackshot 01-20-2021 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3183739)
Yeah that’s exactly what happens. They check the reserve board to see 5 guys ahead of them and figure why commute in on the first day of my 4 day reserve block? Suddenly receive a phone call for an assignment on the first day, immediately panic claim they’re sick or whatever.

At that point it doesn’t matter if your company iPad is off, they can track the location. Once they see your location is in another state outside of base, they start building a case. They’ll check when you flew in, if you flew into base.

The company see’s those actions as time stealing because it is. The individuals fired at OO recently playing reserve roulette had an opportunity to come clean and admit there mistakes and they lied again.

While giving the company a reason to fire you is playing Russian Roulette, OO management has fired plenty of people for far more sketchy reasons (military leave issues and union activities, to name two with which I’m passingly familiar) that gives me NONE of the confidence in their magnanimity that you seem to have.

I don’t work at OO currently so it’s only peripherally my problem. That said, we have access to the same data and come to different conclusions on what OO management thinks reasonable employee treatment is.

LAXtoDEN 01-20-2021 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by acecrackshot (Post 3183748)
While giving the company a reason to fire you is playing Russian Roulette, OO management has fired plenty of people for far more sketchy reasons (military leave issues and union activities, to name two with which I’m passingly familiar) that gives me NONE of the confidence in their magnanimity that you seem to have.

I don’t work at OO currently so it’s only peripherally my problem. That said, we have access to the same data and come to different conclusions on what OO management thinks reasonable employee treatment is.

No, they fired those individuals for lies. I’ve heard the story already of the mil leave guy who ruined it for everyone else.

Btw we call it “Reserve Roulette” not Russian, get it right 😁.

rickair7777 01-20-2021 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3156937)
While we are on the subject...bringing candy/gifts for the crew? I feel like this is a FA/gate agent phenomenon. Commuters would go broke doing this on the regular

(Pre Rona of course)

Gate and FA's appreciate it. I used to do it when jumping offline.

But as flight crew, I'm generally not eating anything provided by a stranger, more likely will give it to the FA's. Besides the obvious security issue, I once had both the FA and FO get sick in flight from nonrev cookies (I'm sure it was just food poisoning)... FA told us later, and the FO started feeling it on the approach, he was full-on praying to the porcelain god by the time he got to the hotel. Another 15 minutes in flight and it would have been awkward, and there would have been paperwork. Fortunately I was trying to lose weight that week.


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