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Old 12-28-2021 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I don't like how CFI gang is drooling over this. Don't you realize how dramatically such a change would alter the market for pilots? It would set compensation, QoL, etc. back decades.
Trust me I do not think it would be a good thing and I’m just starting training. All I know is I’m old enough/young enough as well, to remember the day when 250hr guys weren’t even guaranteed a job at a regional, whereas today at 1500 hours you are guaranteed a job. But I can also see I guess regional guys being ****ed that some guys can go straight to a ULCC like Frontier if going to ATP or Riddle without stepping foot at a regional.
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Old 12-28-2021 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tsimmns927
I guess regional guys being ****ed that some guys can go straight to a ULCC like Frontier if going to ATP or Riddle without stepping foot at a regional.
This already happens and no one has any problem with it.

The problem is very simple. When supply rises (more pilots) and demand stays the same (same number of pilots required to meet the needs of the traveling public), price (your wages) goes down.
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Old 12-28-2021 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
This already happens and no one has any problem with it.

The problem is very simple. When supply rises (more pilots) and demand stays the same (same number of pilots required to meet the needs of the traveling public), price (your wages) goes down.
Yes, but not very often right? I mean they only are hiring ATP CFIs and UND and Riddle grads right? Realistically what do you expect the MESA contract to be soon for first year pilots?

I see Atlas has cranked up their first year pay recently. I would imagine Spirit/Frontier do the same? Is it possible regional FO pay could start out soon at say 60 bucks and hour and raising wages all throughout the other pay grades of the regionals
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Old 12-28-2021 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I don't like how CFI gang is drooling over this. Don't you realize how dramatically such a change would alter the market for pilots? It would set compensation, QoL, etc. back decades.
Obviously you have not went thru many years at the airlines yet, nor a bankrutpcy yet. Every Major Airline has filed bankruptcy, and some more than once, and they will cut/kill your contract to shreds during the process. So either lower the mins, bring on more pilots, problem solved for awhile........or raise prices to where customers decide to drive vs fly all while you have to cancel flights due to no pilots (again making the customer choose to drive and not fly even more), the airlines loose revenue, airlines then decide to increasing wages to astronomical rates (which hey, pay raises are good), then they fill the seniorty list, then file bankruptcy like they always do and cut your wages to less than they are now.........The Airline Industry is a pendulum, it has happend before and will happen again.....Or just have Congress/FAA raise retirment age to 70 or 75 as long as you keep your 1st class medical. Enjoy being on reserve an extra 10 years.....without that widebody upgrade to CPT......The fact remains there are less and less students going to school to become a pilot due to the training cost....have the airlines bare some of these cost, that would benefit everyone....the company would secure a pilot before other airlines get ahold of him/her, and more students could afford to attend pilot school.
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Old 12-30-2021 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
Obviously you have not went thru many years at the airlines yet, nor a bankrutpcy yet...

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You lost 80% of us right here.

Hardly anyone on here wants to hear a 22 year old newbie talk about "you haven't gone through" whatever.
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Old 12-30-2021 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
Obviously you have not went thru many years at the airlines yet, nor a bankrutpcy yet. Every Major Airline has filed bankruptcy, and some more than once, and they will cut/kill your contract to shreds during the process. So either lower the mins, bring on more pilots, problem solved for awhile........or raise prices to where customers decide to drive vs fly all while you have to cancel flights due to no pilots (again making the customer choose to drive and not fly even more), the airlines loose revenue, airlines then decide to increasing wages to astronomical rates (which hey, pay raises are good), then they fill the seniorty list, then file bankruptcy like they always do and cut your wages to less than they are now.........The Airline Industry is a pendulum, it has happend before and will happen again.....Or just have Congress/FAA raise retirment age to 70 or 75 as long as you keep your 1st class medical. Enjoy being on reserve an extra 10 years.....without that widebody upgrade to CPT......The fact remains there are less and less students going to school to become a pilot due to the training cost....have the airlines bare some of these cost, that would benefit everyone....the company would secure a pilot before other airlines get ahold of him/her, and more students could afford to attend pilot school.
‘And what exactly you done? What airline bankruptcy have you been through? Do you even have 10 minutes of Part 121 time? Just stop….
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Old 12-30-2021 | 10:17 PM
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Anyone know what the deal is on the ENY MEC website for the e-library? It’s been a blanked out for over a week.


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Old 12-31-2021 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
Anyone know what the deal is on the ENY MEC website for the e-library? It’s been a blanked out for over a week.


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It’s been denied due to staffing.
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Old 01-04-2022 | 09:17 AM
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Southwest has never declared bankruptcy.
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Old 01-04-2022 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Hardly anyone on here wants to hear a 22 year old newbie talk about "you haven't gone through" whatever.
He forgot to add “-Sent from my Embry-Riddle Dorm Room” at the end
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