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Cyio 03-23-2021 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 3210559)
Why would APA agree to a no furlough thru 2022 for scope concessions then?


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3210444)
I’d keep your heads up. We are roughly 7-800k travelers per day away from 2019 levels with virtually NO business travel at all.


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3210593)
its not a once concessions. It an agreement not to grieve 2020-2021, where AA broke the scope because they parked so many narrow bodies. It’s a slippery slope.


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3210613)
well call APA, tell them no and then AA will just have to shutdown most of the regionals and we’ll lose however many thousands of jobs that is. Not sure what your remedy in this situation is. The RJs were basically the reason AA made any money at all last year

The way I see it, which I openly admit is just one persons opinion, is that they wouldn't have agreed to furlough protection if it wasn't needed.

APA either knows that furloughs might be coming or doesnt see enough positive news to bargain for other gains. If they thought AA was going to be hiring in the next year, I feel like they would have gone after something besides protections. I dont know how much the scope grievance would have been worth, but it would have been something.

I agree about the RJ's, which again kinda makes you think AA isnt about to start carving out pilots from their profitable operation, at least not soon. When you add all of that in with the other things going against us such as fleet reductions, more lockdowns internationally and a lack of business travel, makes me feel like we are looking at two years before flows start.

I hope I am wrong, it would be fantastic for all. The situation just doesnt seem to warrant it in this posters opinion.

CrandallCrawler 03-27-2021 08:41 PM

Well from the sound of things the Piedmont/Envoy merger rumor seems to be growing some legs finally. Has anyone been hearing these rumors lately?

Dougweiser 03-27-2021 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by CrandallCrawler (Post 3212405)
Well from the sound of things the Piedmont/Envoy merger rumor seems to be growing some legs finally. Has anyone been hearing these rumors lately?

That rumor has been around for years. Apparently Piedmont has been doing some consolidating in their management team. We all know a merger would save AAG money so who knows

pitchattitude 03-27-2021 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by CrandallCrawler (Post 3212405)
Well from the sound of things the Piedmont/Envoy merger rumor seems to be growing some legs finally. Has anyone been hearing these rumors lately?

Uhh, no.

Looks like you created a new profile to stir $h!+.

CrandallCrawler 03-27-2021 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3212409)
Uhh, no.

Looks like you created a new profile to stir $h!+.

You’re assumption is (in the words of Donald J Trump), wrong.

pitchattitude 03-27-2021 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by CrandallCrawler (Post 3212411)
You’re assumption is (in the words of Donald J Trump), wrong.

Not an assumption. You only have seven (now eight) posts that are all from today and all are smack talk.

UncreativeUser 03-30-2021 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3212421)
Not an assumption. You only have seven (now eight) posts that are all from today and all are smack talk.


#calledout!


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JakeFmStateFarm 04-02-2021 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3204856)
thx. Regarding AA, does anyone know how many training events were caused by parking the 190/757/767 & A330 plus opening crew bases for wide bodies in CLT? The cost has to be astronomical.

Talking to one of the training depart. Those pilots that were displaced have already been trained and back on the line.

CLE to IAH 04-02-2021 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by CrandallCrawler (Post 3212411)
You’re assumption is (in the words of Donald J Trump), wrong.

your grammar is (in the words of Joe Biden), “You know, the thing”.

AeroEnvoy 04-02-2021 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by JakeFmStateFarm (Post 3215475)
Talking to one of the training depart. Those pilots that were displaced have already been trained and back on the line.

Yeah but what are you wearing, Jake from State Farm?


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