E-145 Sim #1 at GSW is going where?
09-26-2021 | 02:27 AM
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Also, leaving Envoy for Atlas IMO is not a very smart move. Giving up a career at AA to be put on the road for 20 to 24 days a month at bottom end payrates sounds like poor decision making.
09-26-2021 | 05:55 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but just don’t think it will get there that quick. The folks being hired at Frontier that are cadets, as I understand” have to lay out another large chunk of $$ for their type. I don’t think you’re going to see large numbers going directly to those places.
Skywest has, as I understand, recently changed tactics to a “hire everyone and weed them out”, but I still think they are pushing to be the company that ends up on top when others have finally gone away.
And again, while United APPEARS to be shrinking their regional fleet, it hasn’t happened yet. Still a lot of folks around to fill flight decks, to include green card seekers.
We’ll have to agree to disagree and revisit this in five years.
Skywest has, as I understand, recently changed tactics to a “hire everyone and weed them out”, but I still think they are pushing to be the company that ends up on top when others have finally gone away.
And again, while United APPEARS to be shrinking their regional fleet, it hasn’t happened yet. Still a lot of folks around to fill flight decks, to include green card seekers.
We’ll have to agree to disagree and revisit this in five years.
09-26-2021 | 05:57 AM
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Lmao, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t expect you to have a clue about SkyWest or it’s management, but it’s not the JV team over in St. George. Mormons don’t **** around when it comes to their money, they’ll adjust accordingly to whatever it takes to pull every single pilot to their shop. SkyWest right now hasn’t given up a damn thing to recruit more pilots and they’re pulling in all the applicants. Why do you really think AA is offering these sucker bonuses?
I’ve spent almost 5 years at that company and will be leaving here very shortly, but I’m not even remotely worried about the future of my friends at SkyWest.
Btw I read some doomsday post by you about SkyWest a few months ago, attrition has been well over 50 a month, list has grown from 5,100 to 5,600 pilots, they’ll be at 6,000+ at the end of the year just watch. They have the training capacity to push 300+ pilots a month, which alone makes them a massive asset to places like UAL, DL, and AA, plus every other major carrier in town that will need to fill right seats.
Also remember this, Delta has never hired over 1,200 pilots in a year (2016), because they can’t, don’t have the training capacity to pull it off. So when you see these “2,000 new hires for 2022” remember most these shops don’t have the training sims available for these claims.
My prediction, if the market gets bad as you claim, they’ll finally get an offer they can’t refuse and be bought out by a legacy.
I’ve spent almost 5 years at that company and will be leaving here very shortly, but I’m not even remotely worried about the future of my friends at SkyWest.
Btw I read some doomsday post by you about SkyWest a few months ago, attrition has been well over 50 a month, list has grown from 5,100 to 5,600 pilots, they’ll be at 6,000+ at the end of the year just watch. They have the training capacity to push 300+ pilots a month, which alone makes them a massive asset to places like UAL, DL, and AA, plus every other major carrier in town that will need to fill right seats.
Also remember this, Delta has never hired over 1,200 pilots in a year (2016), because they can’t, don’t have the training capacity to pull it off. So when you see these “2,000 new hires for 2022” remember most these shops don’t have the training sims available for these claims.
My prediction, if the market gets bad as you claim, they’ll finally get an offer they can’t refuse and be bought out by a legacy.
09-26-2021 | 06:15 AM
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Never posted any doomsday about Skypest. I think you're confused. In fact, very much the opposite, I've repeatedly said the regionals most likely to survive are Republic, Skypest, and oddly enough, Mesa. The rest are in for a rough ride of bankruptcies, buyouts, mergers, shrinkage and stagnation.
09-26-2021 | 06:18 AM
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While their new CBA is not leading the pack, it's essentially an average of Kalitta and Omni's on the larger planes, and ATI/ABX on the smaller planes..... plus they retained the better work rules they already had. Your facts are just completely wrong. They are not doing 20 to 24 days, they have 16.... and they aren't always used all 16 either. Both of them will be Captains long before they would ever see the left seat at AA.
Most ACMI can go on vacation pretty much every month without ever using vacation time getting 14 days off straight. If we bid the transition right we get four weeks off without using any vacation time. What do you do? a four day trip with 3 days off, sometimes using your days off to commute? Great, get home unpack, have a day and a half then start getting ready to go back to work....
You need to face facts pal, the industry has changed, and many jobs now have great pay, benefits and work rules these days. If AA was such a score you wouldn't have to be bribing people to stay.
09-26-2021 | 07:57 PM
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Thought so.
09-26-2021 | 08:01 PM
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I agree that Cujo is shooting in the dark here. He has a couple of ex Envoy acquaintances that he gets info from but it's very dated and he's mostly guessing with his "predictions." I think all this posting trying to be the Envoy Godfather is just personal therapy helping him cope with losing millions from no longer having an AA career along with the lost prestige.
Also, leaving Envoy for Atlas IMO is not a very smart move. Giving up a career at AA to be put on the road for 20 to 24 days a month at bottom end payrates sounds like poor decision making.
Also, leaving Envoy for Atlas IMO is not a very smart move. Giving up a career at AA to be put on the road for 20 to 24 days a month at bottom end payrates sounds like poor decision making.
Getting hired today at Spirit would net me almost a million dollars more at retirement than waiting 6 more years for flow.
Not sure if 332/hr is "bottom end payrate". But you do you.
09-27-2021 | 05:38 AM
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