Delta already bought 1000 hrs 717 sim time
06-06-2012, 09:56 AM
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Delta already bought 1000 hrs 717 sim time
Delta already bought 1000 hours of 717 sim time at the AirTran sim center. The 717 are coming, regardless of us sighning TA. The delta purchased time is on the books at the sim center in Atlanta.
Don't let management tell you that we will only get the 717 if we sign.
Was this info presented at the road shows???
Don't let management tell you that we will only get the 717 if we sign.
Was this info presented at the road shows???
06-06-2012, 09:59 AM
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"sign or you cannot have the 717s"
This is a scare tactic. Not a benefit or raise.
This is a scare tactic. Not a benefit or raise.
06-06-2012, 10:01 AM
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THE 717s ARE COMING TO DELTA. The period says it all.
06-06-2012, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
THE 717s ARE COMING TO DELTA. The period says it all.
06-06-2012, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
THE 717s ARE COMING TO DELTA. The period says it all.
I am voting yes PERIOD!
06-06-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
Delta already bought 1000 hours of 717 sim time at the AirTran sim center. The 717 are coming, regardless of us sighning TA. The delta purchased time is on the books at the sim center in Atlanta.
Don't let management tell you that we will only get the 717 if we sign.
Was this info presented at the road shows???
Don't let management tell you that we will only get the 717 if we sign.
Was this info presented at the road shows???
Hmmm, I don't know your source but I'll assume it's valid. I'll check this tonight with the head bubba from Alteon. If my garage door is open when he drives by my house he usually stops in for a cold beer. Either way I'll track him down and bribe info from him with cold frosty beverages.
06-06-2012, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
I can't fault him because as humans we are interested in what serves us best. He lost a chunk of his retirement and that sucks. Please understand how background and longevity play into the desires of some here to portay/sell this current proposal.
Some would prefer a smaller raise sooner (get more before they punch out) as opposed to those who will be around longer and have to live a longer career period with the repercussions of giving away work rules and letting DCI fly airplanes that should have been at mainline = another decade of stagnation for those not already widebody captains. Those still here have to live with
Some would prefer a smaller raise sooner (get more before they punch out) as opposed to those who will be around longer and have to live a longer career period with the repercussions of giving away work rules and letting DCI fly airplanes that should have been at mainline = another decade of stagnation for those not already widebody captains. Those still here have to live with
That's the only way they can vote. It's the only way they get any kind of money now. Even a six month delay has financial consequences, which is why they are so wild eyed.
Even a %20 raise a year from now does very little good to a person in their last 3 years, and this is the specific demographic for which this TA is tailored.
Note the long delay in any kind of DC bump. %14 vs %15 to these guys means very little. There is no practical way for it help.
OTOH, a reduction in staffing does help. The increase in ALV will let them fly more. These guys typically will pump the white slips (which are relatively a sure thing, rather than wait by the phone for a GS), so the reserve ALV+15 will not affect their method of schedule filling.
Scope issues are the last thing on their minds. As is sick time...(although, they are getting more).
If I was in my last 3 years, and money is all that was on my mind, and I had no interest in leaving a place better than I found it, this is exactly the kind of TA I'd want, and the sooner, the better.
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06-06-2012, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Hmmm, I don't know your source but I'll assume it's valid. I'll check this tonight with the head bubba from Alteon. If my garage door is open when he drives by my house he usually stops in for a cold beer. Either way I'll track him down and bribe info from him with cold frosty beverages.
06-06-2012, 11:55 AM
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The 717s may come anyway without the TA, but then they will fall under current, lower DC9 pay, and they will still add more 76 seat jets, park some older 70s, and keep inefficient 50 seaters. Maybe we'll get a new contract in a couple more years? Nobody really knows.
06-06-2012, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
The 717s may come anyway without the TA, but then they will fall under current, lower DC9 pay, and they will still add more 76 seat jets, park some older 70s, and keep inefficient 50 seaters. Maybe we'll get a new contract in a couple more years? Nobody really knows.
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