pitchattitude

With this new aircraft order, I was wondering if Envoy had been waiting in the wings with an announcement saying the planes were going to them. The issue with 175s going to Piedmont is scope. 170s are considered a small RJ whereas the 175s are large RJ, so they can’t replace 145s with 175s. Someone who knows more about the exact formula of how many small and large RJs versus mainline planes will hopefully chime in. But I don’t think there were any scope changes in the new AA contract that would change things unless it was snuck in while everyone was either drooling over or *****ing about what they were going to take to the bank.

With an order that large, I honestly think if AA had wanted enough new 170s that Embraer would have obliged them. As far as I know, scope is literally the only reason to have 170s. The difference in operating cost is minimal and does not justify the lower passenger capacity.

ClappedOut145

With the increase in the number of mainline narrowbody jets, the number of large regional jets will also increase. AA isn't as foolish regarding these things as they are with other things. They will adjust accordingly. Whether it is taking CR&'s down to 64 seats to make them small RJs or removing some altogether, they know what they are doing. The biggest takeaway is if they want the 50-seat jets gone by the end of the decade, then why keep PDT at all? Yes, PDT is a large ground handling company, and they could keep that going, but why go through all the mess of adding a new fleet type, parts, training, etc., when your largest wholly-owned already has it all? Now more than ever, it is the time for the three carriers to come together and start working on consolidation.

Ravenwing

My Googling found AA's scope clause to allow up to 40% of their fleet's narrow body aircraft in large regional jets and up to 35% of their narrow bodies in small regional jets for a total of 75%. I assume that the E170s with 69 seats are counted as small RJs since they helped replace Envoy's E145s and some came in with 70 seats and 1 seat marked unusable. I expect there aren't enough E170s available to replace Piedmont's E145s. Rumor has it Piedmont is getting their 60 aircraft fleet replaced with E175s. That does leave Air Wisconsin in a precarious position with AA wanting to retire the 50 set RJs.

Rumor has it AA wants to bring all its regional flying in house eventually. I think it's interesting that SkyWest announced they will be flying 20 more E175s for United. I think that either means SkyWest will be doing less AA flying or they are taking over some of Mesa's flying or both. Planespotters says SkyWest only has 3 E175s parked and they didn't announce the delivery of new aircraft. I'm hoping that means Envoy will get more of SkyWest's Phoenix flying.

I don't know how many of AA's aircraft orders are replacements and how many are growth but more AA narrow bodies does mean more large RJs. Perhaps they will renegotiate the scope to include a bigger percentage of large RJs and a smaller percentage of small RJs.

Ravenwing

It looks like SkyWest is getting 20 additional partner financed E175s delivered in 2024. I went back and actually read their announcement this time. I guess that beats the 19 E170/E175s Envoy is getting this year. I do wonder if SkyWest can staff that many new planes though.

ButtonPresser

They did start hiring a decent amount since the beginning of December.

TransWorld

I have not heard a word about the Air Wiskey CRJ200s. How will they fit in this picture?

Planespotters show 34 flying, 29 parked. All are 20 years old or older.

BigZ

someone from over there might know more, but I believe there was an idea to have them switch over to 700s at some point (65 seats is a small RJ per the scope). That being said, according to their thread, differences training was seized in January.

ClappedOut145

They will be signing a five year deal with Allegiant to fly their clapped out 200’s for them feeding SFB, IWA, and LAS. The no comfort, no frills is a perfect compliment to the Allegiant model.

TransWorld

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

ClappedOut145

Allegiant would never allow some sort of travesty like that to happen. Thankfully turd-box 50 seaters don’t work for their model.