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08-15-2022, 08:12 PM
#11
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,469
Originally Posted by But seriously
Its not only (or even mostly), about who is better at bidding. PBS will still only give you what your seniority will hold. The biggest difference is likely to be a huge reduction in OT. PBS won’t allow conflicts, so the only OT around will be sick calls, or the occasional Mil leave that gets submitted after bidding closes. QOL has way more to do with the efficiency of the trips. PBS will mostly just be less money in everyone’s pockets.
I'm not saying this is what management will give you, but PBS itself does not mean a huge reduction in OT, the work rules and PBS implementation may.
08-15-2022, 08:43 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Originally Posted by dera
The "huge reduction in OT" is not necessarily true. PBS providers themselves only promise 2-3% reduction in post-build OT. It depends on work rules. PBS can allow things like vacation slide, DTS, training conflicts and such. Envoy doesn't have that many open sequences in the bid package if you look at the bid package.
I'm not saying this is what management will give you, but PBS itself does not mean a huge reduction in OT, the work rules and PBS implementation may.
I'm not saying this is what management will give you, but PBS itself does not mean a huge reduction in OT, the work rules and PBS implementation may.
One big area of concern and negotiation is conflict of trips with vacation and being able to subsequently drop those extra flights for more time off. Currently Envoy allows dropping those days and using sick time to cover the pay. Seems like enough people want that to make it a priority in the negotiation and the Envoy FAs have PBS (same software system pilots will be using) and still can conflict vacation with trips and drop, so there is precedent in the company already.
But that is a pretty big source of OT, so it would reduce the system efficiency and Envoy will have their pound of flesh in return if it happens.
08-15-2022, 09:25 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,469
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
The PBS contract change is yet to be negotiated and has been pushed back. Not even sure they have actually started.
One big area of concern and negotiation is conflict of trips with vacation and being able to subsequently drop those extra flights for more time off. Currently Envoy allows dropping those days and using sick time to cover the pay. Seems like enough people want that to make it a priority in the negotiation and the Envoy FAs have PBS (same software system pilots will be using) and still can conflict vacation with trips and drop, so there is precedent in the company already.
But that is a pretty big source of OT, so it would reduce the system efficiency and Envoy will have their pound of flesh in return if it happens.
One big area of concern and negotiation is conflict of trips with vacation and being able to subsequently drop those extra flights for more time off. Currently Envoy allows dropping those days and using sick time to cover the pay. Seems like enough people want that to make it a priority in the negotiation and the Envoy FAs have PBS (same software system pilots will be using) and still can conflict vacation with trips and drop, so there is precedent in the company already.
But that is a pretty big source of OT, so it would reduce the system efficiency and Envoy will have their pound of flesh in return if it happens.
It's all negotiable. Be smart with it.
08-29-2022, 02:13 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by SGS233
What's the likelihood that a new hire/forever-on-reserve DEC would be able to regularly and routinely get 6 days off in a row, each and every month, please?
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
PBS is going to come at some point, maybe you can get work some magic on the bid then.
08-29-2022, 04:06 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 80
Originally Posted by SGS233
What's the likelihood that a new hire/forever-on-reserve DEC would be able to regularly and routinely get 6 days off in a row, each and every month, please?
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
08-30-2022, 10:34 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
Originally Posted by SGS233
What's the likelihood that a new hire/forever-on-reserve DEC would be able to regularly and routinely get 6 days off in a row, each and every month, please?
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
09-08-2022, 06:04 AM
#19
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Posts: 92
Originally Posted by SJS Maverick
So as a new hire DEC how many days off are most people getting. I’d try to get ORD as a base and I’m not interested in picking up OT. I’d rather have more time at home with the family.
09-08-2022, 07:27 AM
#20
Behind the green curtain
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: Looking again
Posts: 20
Originally Posted by GroundPointNine
12. You’ll be on reserve with minimum days off most likely until FOs junior to you in class begin to upgrade or more DECs get hired after you. If you’re at the beginning/middle of the DEC wave it wouldn’t be too bad movement wise, but if you’re on the last half or one of the last few hired as a DEC when they shift back to hiring 1500 pilots then you’ll see the bottom of that list and a lot of airport standby for years potentially.
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