and what about medical and dental whats bad about it how much would someone pay for me my wife and child?

Hello all, I'm wondering if 1500 is required to be in the logbook on day 1 of a class date, or is it a normal practice to start class with say 1475 assuming sim time for the type rating? My ATP written is complete and I'm in the mid 1300 range tt. Thanks


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How is it absurd? I understand anything can happen like the next 9/11 but half the list at AA will be gone in 10 years.
Age 67 won't change that too much.
With 20-2100 pilots-300 that are not leaving Eagle=1800.
Flowing 20-30 a month for five years is X pilots. The monthly number will drop as the airline get's smaller of course but still a lot flowing. Five years from now hiring by the big three will be in full force. Many will get hired elsewhere so 5 years may or may not happen but I wouldn't say it's "absurd". Most attrition is from FOs leaving and that's only going to accelerate.

I think I was paying about $450 per month.
Somehow it seems like I'm paying more at AA although max out of pockets are lower at AA. I think my yearly deductible at Eagle was 2K but they have different plans with choices.

That would probably be a best case scenario. Seems like things in this industry always take longer than expected.
Basically I wouldn't count on it but realize the future 10 years will be much better than the last.

that seems a little steep i thought envoy would be somewhat close to piedmonts rates and they are right around 200 for three who's the plan through

"Was" a good place to work. The main problem with Envoy now is the schedules have gone to crap.

I am pretty sure you can use sim time towards total time. I'm not sure of the amount...I think 25 hours.

Yes, very sad. I'm a very, very sad man. :(

I'm not bad-mouthing my old airline (American Eagle, Inc.) which no longer exists, either in name or spirit, but being critical of the ethically bankrupt characters attempting to swindle others to enrich themselves. That includes not only some the hucksters here ;), but the long sad list of the union story there, especially since I left that arguably includes IMO, rampant recklessness, gross irresponsibility and even corruption like "snack-gate". It's all indicative of an airline that again, IMO is a house of cards and for new pilots a serious gamble as not only does no one appear to want to correct these problems, but double down on them..........well, at least long enough to do unto others and then split.

In fact, the latest gem I've heard is that a bunch of senior pilots who declined to flow under Letter 3 now want to cut in the 824 line in front of others with special treatment and that your union is considering it. If true, I can only wince once again............ :cool:

Yes.........sad, sad, sad, I am. Disgusted too.

Have you ever considered that the perception you describe about Envoy from this forum isn't just an unrelated phenomena only related to this forum ? Might I suggest ponying up $5 and joining Eaglelounge to get a better idea of the real environment that exists within Envoy among the present pilots ?

I'm sure that will be a sobering experience and quite enlightening. In fact, if you do that, I think you'll find the reality of the Envoy pilot existence quite disturbing. $5 isn't too much money for proper due diligence to vet a potential company you are considering working for.

Caveat Emptor.