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Old 04-08-2014 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
You sure they can bid it? Wasn't that the point of pay banding. It's going to go to new upgrades, as no one is being displace right now.
Yes, they will bid them as base transfer. These "gummers" are so Sr. that pay banding doesn't apply to them. They get CRJ CA pay regardless of equipment they fly. They will base transfer from ORD.

They will have to announce a displacement bid eventually. Those planes are either ORD or JKF base therefore a displacement bid.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 05:56 PM
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I am betting ord
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Old 04-08-2014 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
You sure they can bid it? Wasn't that the point of pay banding. It's going to go to new upgrades, as no one is being displace right now.
Well, according to the BK contract, only 30% of the vacancies can be filled by captains that require longterm training. (EMJ CAs) That's ten going to senior DFW EMJ guys. It just depends how many CRJ CAs in ORD or NY are DFW commuters that followed the plane when they left DFW last time. I have no idea how many of them there are, but that will determine how many FOs will get to upgrade to fill the other 20 captain spots.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 08:26 PM
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Is it rumor that Envoy crj's are coming to dfw or fact?
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Old 04-08-2014 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
Is it rumor that Envoy crj's are coming to dfw or fact?
Fact.

With the amount of guys leaving this company I do not forsee any displacements associated with the DFW CRJ bid. They won't need to displace anyone as alot of CRJ guys are flowing.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 08:38 PM
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Any idea how long it will take to hold dfw if get on the crj in ord or jfk?
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Old 04-08-2014 | 09:02 PM
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Any idea how long it will take to hold dfw if get on the crj in ord or jfk?
No idea, we have to wait until the bids comes out to see how Jr it goes.
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Old 04-09-2014 | 04:22 AM
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So Envoy is in fact not getting rid of their CRJ's?
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Old 04-09-2014 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
So Envoy is in fact not getting rid of their CRJ's?
Those that know aren't saying a word. So far no announcements but attrition is north of 60 pilots per month including the 20 flows to American. If these guys don't stop the games, Envoy will be shutting down despite their (management) best efforts.

Quite frankly, I think this team is over its head between placing the 175's, West, Beast, and East SLI and the attrition at the regionals.
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Old 04-09-2014 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
Any idea how long it will take to hold dfw if get on the crj in ord or jfk?
It all depends on how many ORD and JFK CRJ pilots bid DFW. DFW EMJ FOs cannot bid DFW CRJ and the qol for the 30 DFW CRJ crews will be lower than the DFW EMJ so I imagine new hires getting some of the DFW CRJ FO spots just like when LGA CRJ opened up. All of the FOs for LGA CRJ were new hires despite all the LGA EMJ FOs were sitting around as their flying was reduced.
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