Exactly. No cancelation pay? Hmmm. Having to pick stuff up on days off to meet guarantee...doesn't sound fun


Aa is at the bottom of my list.
Delta, United, aa. But maybe because I'm jaded now and dislike dui dougie

REALLY ?

481 "824" pilots have flowed leaving only 343 left to go ?

Is this assertion based on the number of 824 pilots that have flowed since the FIRST 824 pilot has flowed or has Mr. Wilson included some Letter 3 flow pilots in there to fluff up his sales pitch ? I don't have my list handy, but I'll check. Last I heard something like 500 824's are left to flow and Letter 3 pilots aren't the same legal litmus as those in the 824 requirement. Me thinks Mr. Wilson may be mixing beets in with the carrots to make a more enticing salad for the gullible kids out there and what would he do without a lapdog salesmen like you that obviously has a DIRECT LINE to what he plans to announce in advance ?


Pay more attention lapdog and you wouldn't be twisting my points into a chew toy. FLOWS will become standard, but Envoy's PRESENT arrangement could be altered once the LEGAL requirements of the 824 award no longer apply. This has the potential to INCREASE the present time projections being sold in that letter.

Promise a dog a bone and he's your friend for life............:rolleyes:


Again, 62% ? What was the month the first 824 pilot flowed and how many 824 pilot have flowed since then ?

DO NOT include any Letter 3 pilots in your calculations as they have no bearing on whether Envoy and AAG are meeting the minimum 824 flow requirements, let alone exceeding them by 12%.

To each their own. I have no desire to work at United or a LCC, but that's just me. Dui dougie sucks and is an awful CEO but executives come and go.

Let's just ignore eaglefly and RJ Pilot. I think they wanna see envoy fail just as much as I'd like to see PSA fail.

Bingo. Good luck though...eaglefly is like that yappy dog next door that just won't shut up and thinks he is hot stuff.

Says the guy that thinks being an envoy pilot is being elite


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The 824 didn't even start going until December 2013. The entire rest of your post was equally wrong.

No, I just hate to see some of you kids get snookered like those in the past. You obviously have it all figured out, sewn up and have no interest in listening to anyone that doesn't make you feel good like the lapdog. I'm sorry, but I won't shed a tear should your promised certainties blow up in your face, but I'll promise not to bark in laughter from the next door porch if and when they do. ;)

The more thoughtful pilots that have yet to fall down the Envoy rabbit hole like you still have the ability to make an informed decision, whereas you're in free fall hoping their is thick cushion at the bottom. It's always nice to get all the info possible BEFORE you risk the fall.

Good luck on your impact.........I hope it's a soft one.

Regardless of who says it, it is true. Those two left Eagle. In order for their decision to be the right one, this place must fail. Otherwise, they could have been wrong. They wish the demise of their fellow pilots to justify their decision.

I like your optimism, but that would imply that since I've been here for 5 years, then I should flow in the next year or two. And I'm still an FO, with no upgrade in sight. So, in reality, we know that I am not likely to flow for the next 3 years +. But who knows. I could be wrong.