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Old 07-16-2014 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
If that's true, why has the company continued to allow this info to be leaked without making any attempt whatsoever to stop it? They are usually quite proactive in matters such as these.
Witch hunts have been under way for some time.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
And this is AFTER you edited for spelling? You are an idiot in pretty much every way. Do you even work at Eagle?

Show me where my spelling is incorrect. After you fail to find anything, feel free to attack the substance of my argument instead of something as petty and irrelevant as spelling.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Mason isn't to blame for anything. He's nothing more then just another forum personality. If there is any deficiency, it's gullible pilots being led around by their noses. Thus is EXACTLY the root of past recent failures with both management and your own union leadership.

Stop being gullible, easily manipulated kids and these deficiencies disappear. Continue this and you'll be jerked around in perpetuity at your own peril from anyone with even marginal skill.
Big announcement 4pm eastern.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011

I think a large scale merger is in Envoy's very near future. This is why they need to beat the groups down so badly as any binding arbitration is going to look at whats recently been the norm or average in the industry. This is why 12/4 is badly wanted by the company.
Guess what? They might get the 12/4 anyway in a merger. Read section 1.D.6 and 1.E of your contract. Why the union isn't telling the pilots this, I have no clue.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
mostly because of many people's misplaced faith in it, but also because of it's poor specificity. .
Too much specificity too soon would be bad. Many times I've posted vague generalities simply because too few people even knew. Once I hear the second level folks repeating what the top tier knows; then I know it's safe to leak "some" stuff out.

In what is transpiring now; too much specificity will tank the deal. I'm sure that is what John is worried about. He's just trying to look after the Envoy pilots; even after he's gone. That makes him a Good guy in my book.

Still waiting for that PM though....
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy
I'm pretty sure he doesn't care. There is life outside of APC.
. I don't care if he gets banned, ether. However, him making threats that can cause people financial harm over Internet forum posts isn't cool. A lot of people here seem to think that's ok for some reason.


Although, I am interested in the reason why Mason should stop posting.
Are his posts misleading or erroneous in nature?

I've already said (IMO) my thoughts about his posts. I never said he should stop, but that might not be a bad idea. What do his posts do for anyone? The help no one, they shift with the wind, and are pretty much useless because nobody can do anything until there's an official announcement anyway. It does make him a pretty popular guy on the forums though, so there's that.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Big announcement 4pm eastern.
Whether there is or isn't doesn't change what present Envoy pilots need to correct about themselves.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:40 AM
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5 bucks John has already sent on a 3 day fishing trip, hence no new post by him!
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Big announcement 4pm eastern.
I've seen this so many times over the last few weeks I'm not sure whether you're trolling or being serious.
Old 07-16-2014 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Show me where my spelling is incorrect. After you fail to find anything, feel free to attack the substance of my argument instead of something as petty and irrelevant as spelling.

I am not your 5th grade grammar teacher. Perhaps you should give her a call though. You act as if outing someone on a stupid forum is a crime against humanity. You are the tool for not trusting someone with a lengthy and proven track record for protecting the interests of this pilot group. If Mason is in fact a mouthpiece for management, or if his info has negotiated our union's bargaining position, then John is fully justified in revealing him.

Some middle manager who may lose his job for leaking intel should not have put himself in this situation to begin with.

No middle manager being fired over this should take it personally. After all... it's just business, right?
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