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lakehouse 05-15-2014 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1643535)
Except none of them will hate you to your face, only behind your back or on anonymous forums. :D

You must not have run into many eagle guys.

PilotJ3 05-15-2014 06:12 AM



Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1643445)
IF your little sham interview over there goes well, you will be flying with ex Eagle captains who will hate you. Deal with it.

Except none of them will hate you to your face, only behind your back or on anonymous forums. :D
Hahahahaha if you say so. But most people here are disgusted with PSA actions. If only they would have hold the line, everyone would be making progress.

But that's ok, it's fun seeing how there have not being a new vacancy bid in PSA for the last 4 weeks, how they are withholding "flows" until December and how they are also canceling vacations.

And there's not even 1 new airplane flying in the line. Music will stop sooner or later...

JT8D 05-15-2014 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1643535)
Except none of them will hate you to your face, only behind your back or on anonymous forums. :D

Tell that little union leader of theirs to prance on over to our crew room in DFW. We'll see how that goes...

As for Joliet, you work for the industry bottom feeder and you ARE Parker's whipped little btch. Of course you will see everyone else as 'elitist'. Poor you...

Mason32 05-15-2014 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1643365)
Didn't the b scale at aa happen in the 80s?

yes, 91 was furloughs and other crap I don't even want to remember, 83 was B-scale. typo on my part for having faster brain than fingers. :) or maybe its getting to be the other way around as I age...


If we look back and study other instances where American has begun to replace aging fleet types, you’ll find more often than not that these announcements are carefully timed to impact pilot negotiations. AMR threatened to enact “shrink plans” when negotiating pilot contracts in 1983, 1987, 1990, 1993-1997 and 2003. Do not be surprised if management makes some sort of dramatic announcement in the coming months, such as a larger and more sudden fleet reduction and possibly even pilot furloughs. That worked very effectively for them in 1983 with the phase-out of the old gas-guzzling B-707s, which they used as leverage to obtain the B-Scale.
Could have been written today by your guys instead of ours back in 08, couldn't it?

pagey 05-15-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1643620)
Hahahahaha if you say so. But most people here are disgusted with PSA actions. If only they would have hold the line, everyone would be making progress.

But that's ok, it's fun seeing how there have not being a new vacancy bid in PSA for the last 4 weeks, how they are withholding "flows" until December and how they are also canceling vacations.

And there's not even 1 new airplane flying in the line. Music will stop sooner or later...

The most recent vacancy bid was 5/7 with 24. Before that 4/30 with 24.

Upgrade bid yesterday for 8, previous one 4/22 with 8.

2 "flows" are going this month, 2 next and will apparently "catch up" with extras the month after.

They cancelled like 2 vacations and that was in February, none since.

It looks like whatever source you have for your information may need to be replaced.

Bzzt 05-15-2014 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1643724)
The most recent vacancy bid was 5/7 with 24. Before that 4/30 with 24.

Upgrade bid yesterday for 8, previous one 4/22 with 8.

2 "flows" are going this month, 2 next and will apparently "catch up" with extras the month after.

They cancelled like 2 vacations and that was in February, none since.

It looks like whatever source you have for your information may need to be replaced.

Why bother? Joliet is going to try to troll everyone as he has been doing for awhile now and some gullable eagle guys will jump right in. It would be better if everyone just ignored this stupid feud, then Joliet would have to find a different outlet for whatever frustration he is feeling.

Spoiler 05-15-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by DontEnvoyMe (Post 1643257)
With fewer check airmen would that not imply fewer changes overall, growth or displacement?

There are so many players and pieces to move that they are trying to do reallocation. Problem is that new outsourcers mess up the previous finalized plans.
Then of course marketing gets a say
Finally, APA interpreting FAR 117 rest rules have left mainline in the lurch as they anticipated picking up Legl flying too.
Even a computer cannot match the magnitude of this screw up

Down wind 05-15-2014 12:17 PM

A few weeks ago in psa worm hole central(day), your newbies were very excited zbout getting envoy crj700's and quitting emvoy pilots to come to psa. First one didn't happen. Second will never. I highly doubt our guys would make such a backward movement if they've been here a year. Most will go to lcc's and majors. A few may go to skywest or republic.
Another tidbit was from one huge( size wise around waist) fo who was upgrading. He said psa had parked about 4 planes already because of staffing. Also, psa crj900's supposed to be 1Q 2014 are now maybe 4Q 2014. Also, once the likes if silver, commutair pool of pilots dry up and the unhirables elsewhere, who wants to fly under a turd of a contract psa has? Especially, when there are better options.

JohnLocke 05-15-2014 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Down wind (Post 1643914)
Also, once the likes if silver, commutair pool of pilots dry up and the unhirables elsewhere, who wants to fly under a turd of a contract psa has? Especially, when there are better options.

Hah. No one from Commutair wants to go to PSA... please...

Maverick 05-16-2014 03:47 AM

more bad news
 
with the last 2 vacancy bids closed a bunch of guys that were in upgrade class are being sent back to FO on their previous equipment. A few were just waiting on IOE to finish up. Now the company is back on the PBS bidding. Will be running training in June for a our last co bid of July, then out to vote. With the attitudes over here right now, it has zero chance of passing in its current form. The Rumor of SS coming back to run the E175 program is completely false(straight from his mouth) AH has verified that DFW check airman are being displaced back to the line. Strong chance that the company is going to start coming after summer vacation blocks, especially on the CA side. Like last time they will offer 300% or buy it back and let you bid it after September. If they don't get enough they will start canceling junior guys blocks. Everyone I know says they'll take the time whether it says VC or SK next to it, its all PTO time anyway. A few guys are even buying tickets on other airlines to guarantee their travel and not having to worry about calling in SK.


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