I know right? Grrrr it makes me so angry? I want them to pay!!!!

Grow up kiddo. Business is business. You aren't even on the right thought process right now.

The burn it down crowd represent 85% of regional airline pilots (from a recent poll). It's fair to say that the 'burn it down crowd' as you call them are the same pilots who do not believe that regional airlines should even exist in the first place. You see the fundamental difference between the two types of pilots here- one thinks regional airlines should continue as an entity, the other believes the flying should be reabsorbed into mainline.


Again, the fundamental differences between the two types of pilots can be seen here in this comment as well. If you are of the belief that regionals should exist and that you should be able to make a career out of one, then of course it only makes sense to believe that ALPA is not in your best interests (they're not). But try and look at from the point of view of a pilot who doesn't believe the regional airline should exist (the burn it down pilot). This pilot believes regionals shouldn't exist or if they must exist, then only as a quick path to mainline and ALPA is in your best interest.

My point in saying this is the fundamental difference and the reason why pilots are saying what they are saying is because there is a split in the core philosophy of what a regional airline is or isn't vs. what it should or should not be.

You are trying to make an argument convincing someone the color they are seeing is white, when in fact they see black. That's the magnitude of the argument.

The only egos in play are from the pilot group. Management doesn't care about pilots, all we are is a red line on a profit/loss statement, they want that number smaller. They'll either make the number smaller through a contract with us or contract the labor out elsewhere.

Buddies I know English is your second language so I'm not going to critique your paragraph, but just answer one question. How are you taking a paycut when you were grandfathered in to your old rate? Are you really concerned about the 1% cost of living increase?

Wareagle is it really a concession if you go to AA faster than you otherwise would have?

If you have even a single example of this, I'm all, well, eyes.

The MEC loved to tell people the aircraft couldn't be staffed. PSA, Skywest, and Compass are all staffing. Really that's all the proof I need, I'm not sure what your gain was out of this deal, maybe just street cred at AA for showing the company you wouldn't take concessions. Whatever the case was, thanks for nothing.

First sentence a lie, second sentence incorrect. Third sentence I didn't gain, fourth sentence you're welcome.

how can you say psa, compass, and skywest aren't staffing?

Just as disingenuous as Team Tony was, it's nice to deny things after the fact isn't it? The second sentence is absolutely not incorrect, Skywest is having minor trouble now but they're returning a few aircraft and a lot of XJT guys will be looking for jobs if Skywest Inc. goes nuclear on them. Compass I know for a 100% fact is filling classes from now until however far out they've planned, in addition to their large pool of applicants. PSA is up for debate but they're getting at least 20 a class, I also forgot Mesa which is filling at least 20 a class.

Enjoy your golden parachute to AA along with all the other MEC members who sold us down the river.

That's really all I have to say to you, thankfully you don't have any influence on my circumstances anymore, you're insignificant to me at this point.

Bzzt and like minded people, you guys need to seriously watch this video. You can almost see what is happening at Eagle played out here.

Martin Jay Levitt a union buster confesses his secrets on U-Tube

Confessions of a Union Buster - YouTube

Fear- Without the atmosphere of fear for a union buster, it's like working without one arm and one leg. Fear is like Caviar, Filet Mignon and Lobster combined. The emotion and element of fear is absolutely vital to union busting"

Divide and conquer- "The more we knew about the individuals and demographics the more we could set them up.. we would use background information and past history to set people up in vicious ways, to plant false rumors, to ruin lives"

It's ALL choreographed - "When a union buster is hired he becomes the producer, the director, the scriptwriter, the choreographer. Nothing that happens from management is spontaneous, every word, every action, everything you see and even the things you don't see are carefully choreographed."

*Borrowed some of this post from elsewhere.

your idea of good business sense is to constantly agree to give backs as long as you flow? why do we need to negotiate, dont we have a contract for another 6 years?

sorry, your type of business sense is for those who do nothing but capitulate at every turn.

first explain in your non moronic business sense why should envoy pilots consider freezes or concessions of any type?