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Bzzt 08-11-2014 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1703756)
Since you are not moving on to a major airline by your own choice, what is it you want to have happen?

To find an aviation job where I can maximize my time off by being near the top of a seniority list. Failing that I am working on finding some stuff outside of aviation.

AnotherEagleGuy 08-11-2014 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703628)
As expected you totally missed the point of that analogy. Change the job to whatever you like, plumber, mechanic, electrician, the point remains the same.

Got it, Pilots = lawn mowers, nice to see what management thinks of us.

tom11011 08-11-2014 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703772)
To find an aviation job where I can maximize my time off by being near the top of a seniority list. Failing that I am working on finding some stuff outside of aviation.

Doesn't seem likely to happen at Envoy in the near term, I've heard there are about 300 lifer captains there if I'm not mistaken?

Tsuda 08-11-2014 05:09 PM

I would say envoy has between 400 to 600 lifers.

Counselor 08-11-2014 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1703812)
I would say envoy has between 400 to 600 lifers.

What kind of schedules do these guys hold to keep them at Envoy? How long have they been at the airline?

DontEnvoyMe 08-11-2014 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Counselor (Post 1703818)
What kind of schedules do these guys hold to keep them at Envoy? How long have they been at the airline?

27 years, during which I have endured three "pilot shortages" followed by some crisis or rule change, then furlows.

I'm under 100 seniority, and I get commutable 4 on 3 off and 5-7 + days off every other transition not including vacation, which I have 5 weeks a year, each at least 10 days off not using DTS, more if I do, usually 2 weeks.

Then there is the two leg commute to reserve I would have to do at AA, along with the $60K paycut, four years to catch up to where I am now in pay and five more to get back what I would have lost. And I only have roughly eight years to 65.

You got to make your own choices. What is best for your family, and nobody else can do that.

Bzzt 08-11-2014 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1703787)
Doesn't seem likely to happen at Envoy in the near term, I've heard there are about 300 lifer captains there if I'm not mistaken?

Not in the near term but eventually, assuming Envoy doesn't cease to exist. As long as there is a light at the end if the tunnel I'm ok.

deltajuliet 08-11-2014 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by DontEnvoyMe (Post 1703826)
27 years, during which I have endured three "pilot shortages" followed by some crisis or rule change, then furlows.

I'm under 100 seniority, and I get commutable 4 on 3 off and 5-7 + days off every other transition not including vacation, which I have 5 weeks a year, each at least 10 days off not using DTS, more if I do, usually 2 weeks.

Then there is the two leg commute to reserve I would have to do at AA, along with the $60K paycut, four years to catch up to where I am now in pay and five more to get back what I would have lost. And I only have roughly eight years to 65.

You got to make your own choices. What is best for your family, and nobody else can do that.

I have a genuine question for you, and I'm not trying to be critical, I only want to understand. And Bzzt, you can weigh in too if you'd like.

Why didn't you go to a major in the 90's?

Spoiler 08-11-2014 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1703812)
I would say envoy has between 400 to 600 lifers.

and you would be wrong = the post above yours is spot on

Bzzt 08-11-2014 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 1703872)
I have a genuine question for you, and I'm not trying to be critical, I only want to understand. And Bzzt, you can weigh in too if you'd like.

Why didn't you go to a major in the 90's?

I was in elementary school > high school in the 90s.


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