Originally Posted by Name User (Post 1703651)

Well everyone makes mistakes. If you want to get out, do so, and do it at the first opportunity. Staying only prolongs the pain and bitterness you will feel.

You can still salvage your career if you want IMO. Hey maybe even an email to Compass with a "I've had a change of heart", who knows, maybe you can be placed back in the pool. I think you are just wasting your time and energy complaining on here though.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703682)

I don't believe in reversing course on decisions. I could live without this career so I'm going to just wait and see what happens. I do think the pilot group here is too short sighted to make any intelligent decisions but we'll see.

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1703692)

You have said yourself that you will not go to a major airline if invited because you would not be in the 1% of the seniority at retirement.

I think what you are asking the pilot group to do is make decisions that benefit the regional pilot in the long run- ie pilots who will be staying at the regional and making it a career. Is that a fair assessment of what you want?

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703701)

How many times do I have to tell you that pilots have nothing to do with whether or not regionals exist, we are not that important.

Adios: Your contract will not protect you from an economic collapse or catastrophe, sorry.

Originally Posted by Throwaway (Post 1703394)

They are using the opportunity to bust up the unity, both inside the union and among the pilots. But, if you disagree, feel free to call up your rep or the company. Tell them how you were misled and how you really didn't want to vote no. Tell them you really, really want the AIP.

Otherwise, hold the line.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703579)

I personally don't care about the money aspect at all, for me it's all about qol. Our qol under this bk contract is awful, and getting worse. Without those 170s and the routes they would provide it's going to continue to erode. There were 20 lines commutable from the west coast for August in DFW, I had to lose ~20 hours trading in to trips that had their first and last turns picked up by OT all stars.

Your entire argument is based off "if things go wrong I don't want to be pay capped", you will be. For this hiring wave to fall apart something catastrophic will have to happen, if something catastrophic happens we will declare bk and you'll be capped at 12/4.

It really astounds me that FOs are willing to pass up long term gains (by going to a major) over $1-2 a hour pay.

Buddies again, you wouldn't be pay capped you're grandfathered in. How many years do you have left? Is a 1% annual raise going to matter that much in your finances? If so I'm a bit worried about your ability to retire.

Originally Posted by fisherman (Post 1703725)

The AIP did not directly address QOL. If we want better QOL, there is a whole list of things we need (more days off, trip/duty rigs, etc).

As for pay, I don't support the continual erosion of our profession. In the Bankruptcy Contract, we gave the company the BARGAIN of us operating E175s/CRJ900s at CRJ700 pay rates temporarily. After a couple years, our contract states we will negotiate new rates for the E175s/CRJ900s.

If we had voted in the AIP, we would have permanently lowered the standard by agreeing to fly E175s for CRJ700 pay for at least ten years (which would most likely end up being permanent). This would have further eroded our profession.

I go to work to maximize my profit for myself. AAG wants to pay us less so they can maximize their profit, but we are under no obligation to give concessions just to be nice. We stood up for ourselves for once.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703727)

You cannot artificially prop up the profession. The economy will dictate how much a pilot makes, all you did was ensure some other pilot is making the amount you weren't willing to take. In the end that pilot who was willing to suffer short term hardship will be your captain, either at the regional you're forced to apply at or the legacy / national you hope to work for.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1703701)

How many times do I have to tell you that pilots have nothing to do with whether or not regionals exist, we are not that important.

Adios: Your contract will not protect you from an economic downturn or catastrophe, sorry.