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wiz5422 08-10-2014 05:11 AM
Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1702793)
Email Ray.
You think a guilty party is going to confess to his crime? You are gullible. If he is so innocent then why hasn't he put out an email blast defending his character? I for one would for damn sure be on top of that if someone was trying to discredit me.

AnotherEagleGuy 08-10-2014 05:53 AM
Relax people, this is just more company shenanigans and union busting.

Apparently the Glass and company didnt like the MECs response to thier low ball offer and this is how they are reacting. How do you break a union? Discredit its leaders, manage and then destroy expectations, and break the will to fight of the membership.*(Borrowed that last sentence).

There is more to the story, and yes, WIZ is not a CUJO fan, but im getting that the company was the one who walked away after they thought the MEC would except something lower than they were willing to possibly due to one persons oppinion. Discaimer, I havent talked to my rep yet.

Everyone needs to watch the video APA put out called "confessions of a union buster" (youtube it). You will undrlerstand Glass and his motives.

Jvw700 08-10-2014 06:37 AM
Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1702823)
Relax people, this is just more company shenanigans and union busting.

Apparently the Glass and company didnt like the MECs response to thier low ball offer and this is how they are reacting. How do you break a union? Discredit its leaders, manage and then destroy expectations, and break the will to fight of the membership.*(Borrowed that last sentence).

There is more to the story, and yes, WIZ is not a CUJO fan, but im getting that the company was the one who walked away after they thought the MEC would except something lower than they were willing to possibly due to one persons oppinion. Discaimer, I havent talked to my rep yet.

Everyone needs to watch the video APA put out called "confessions of a union buster" (youtube it). You will undrlerstand Glass and his motives.
You need to actually contact your rep!

AdiosMikeFox 08-10-2014 06:50 AM
Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 1702810)
You think a guilty party is going to confess to his crime? You are gullible. If he is so innocent then why hasn't he put out an email blast defending his character? I for one would for damn sure be on top of that if someone was trying to discredit me.

So quick to assume guilt. Condemned before he's even said a word. I guess he should have sent out an email immediately after this coward threw a turd in the swimming pool? When, at midnight? All comms go through ALPA lawyers, I'm sure they were up at midnight on a Sunday to tackle anonymous posts on an internet forum. He's smart to keep his mouth shut here, these are serious accusations. This is a public forum, this shouldn't even be taking place here. People should be calling or emailing their lec or the MEC and finding out what is happening, otherwise nobody knows tihs and and is talking out their ssa.

Bzzt 08-10-2014 06:52 AM
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1702856)
So quick to assume guilt. Condemned before he's even said a word. I guess he should have sent out an email immediately after this coward threw a turd in the swimming pool? When, at midnight? All comms go through ALPA lawyers, I'm sure they were up at midnight on a Sunday to tackle anonymous posts on an internet forum. He's smart to keep his mouth shut here, these are serious accusations. This is a public forum, this shouldn't even be taking place here. People should be calling or emailing their lec or the MEC and finding out what is happening, otherwise nobody knows tihs and and is talking out their ssa.
Our MEC has been extremely tight lipped, this pilot group has been kept in the dark for a long time. Emailing or calling a rep would do absolutely no good.

tom11011 08-10-2014 07:09 AM
Originally Posted by 1pilotwings256 (Post 1702534)
Ray Igou is responsible for the breakdown in negotiations with the company by disclosing to them our lowest threshold in acceptability and thus "showing all our cards"

That Ray went behind the MECs back in a John Glenna fashion with this information

That with this information, the company has in so many words told the negotiators to F off

That Ray aka Cujo is Mason32 and was identified by disinformation ala The Departed.

And that, in short, Ray/Cujo is responsible for ultimately and completely screwing us all over.

Would you believe me?
Heck of a first post! :)

AnotherEagleGuy 08-10-2014 07:12 AM
Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 1702844)
You need to actually contact your rep!
Did, plus ones that aren't mine.. still waiting to hear back.

m78fl370 08-10-2014 07:15 AM
Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1702869)
Did, plus ones that aren't mine.. still waiting to hear back.
Good luck.

JohnGardner 08-10-2014 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1702858)
Our MEC has been extremely tight lipped, this pilot group has been kept in the dark for a long time. Emailing or calling a rep would do absolutely no good.
Wrong. They've been tight lipped when they needed to be, and not when they weren't.

Bzzt 08-10-2014 07:42 AM
Originally Posted by JohnGardner (Post 1702883)
Wrong. They've been tight lipped when they needed to be, and not when they weren't.
Shouldn't you be in the major section of this forum?


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