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-   -   The useful Envoy thread (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/82842-useful-envoy-thread.html)

deltajuliet 08-09-2014 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1702699)
You're with Mesa, so what need do you have to know?
I mean, you can be all secretive I guess. But I have friends over there too. Plus I'm a sucker for gossip.

wiz5422 08-09-2014 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1702674)
Confirmed that Mason is this Ray guy?
I wonder who posted this info a few weeks ago???????

Amazing how slow most of you are...........

N927EV 08-09-2014 09:26 PM
I'm confused. Have negotiations already broken down again?

m78fl370 08-09-2014 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1702735)
I'm confused. Have negotiations already broken down again?
Who knows? For some reason, everything has to be a secret, no matter how small or inconsequential it is.

JT8D 08-09-2014 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 1702710)
I mean, you can be all secretive I guess. But I have friends over there too. Plus I'm a sucker for gossip.
Really? Because it looks like you're just another back stabber drooling over the prospect of more airplanes. Forgive my haste to judge but this industry has proven to be rife with such individuals.

embraer 08-09-2014 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1702735)
I'm confused. Have negotiations already broken down again?
Turns out it is all true. Information is beginning to trickle in. From what I heard, negotiations didn't "break down" so much as the company walked away from the table and told our Union they need to move their bottom line.

The chain of events that led to this point is damaging and frightening if all true. Turns out we have been played from multiple angles including from within our own Union.

Bzzt 08-09-2014 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1702753)
Turns out it is all true. Information is beginning to trickle in. From what I heard, negotiations didn't "break down" so much as the company walked away from the table and told our Union they need to move their bottom line.

The chain of events that led to this point is damaging and frightening if all true. Turns out we have been played from multiple angles including from within our own Union.
That shouldn't be surprising, we've been played by our own union for quite some time now. Team Tony wasn't the first nor the last. Good luck to everyone here.

deltajuliet 08-09-2014 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1702751)
Really? Because it looks like you're just another back stabber drooling over the prospect of more airplanes. Forgive my haste to judge but this industry has proven to be rife with such individuals.
I'm sorry if I've ever come off as overly enthusiastic about my own airline's growth while other companies are contracting. That's painful and shameful and nobody should lose the seniority built by years of effort and toil - for minimal compensation - while the higher-ups still get rich, AA refuses to recognize your worth, and your union does nothing of value. For what it's worth:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1702109
I have many friends at ExpressJet and Envoy, unfortunately none of them have upgraded and they'll more than likely end up going to another regional to start over. That's why I hope negotiations work out for Envoy, to prevent that, but we'll see what happens.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1690196
Didn't realize you were Envoy, Jvw. Good luck on the talks. Everybody I know had incredible respect for your group's decision to turn down a bad contract.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1695710
I hope it goes well for you guys, I really do.

N927EV 08-09-2014 11:25 PM
Geez. That's disconcerning. This place is immune to good news.

JT8D 08-10-2014 04:11 AM
Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1702753)
Turns out it is all true. Information is beginning to trickle in. From what I heard, negotiations didn't "break down" so much as the company walked away from the table and told our Union they need to move their bottom line.

The chain of events that led to this point is damaging and frightening if all true. Turns out we have been played from multiple angles including from within our own Union.
Email Ray.


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