On the upside you get year round Brazilian eye candy on flights between MCO and MIA.

PBS is industry standard. My last carrier went to it while I was there. The trick is having trip and duty rigs that are punitive to management if they don't abide by them. The real thing that forces management is cost...rigs do that. Otherwise, I found PBS resulted in less ability to gain extra pay but more ability to swap things around for quality of life (what's that) than we have under the current system. All that said, we don't have those rigs which would make PBS here ... well, very one sided in management's favor. I'd actually accept the pay cut (laugh) before approving PBS without rigs.

For any of you even thinking about voting yes on PBS here are a few things to consider:

Trip trading as you know it is gone. No more senior guys trips dropping into open time for everyone to have a shot at, it'll just go to the very next guy below him. By the time the system gets to the bottom the only trips left will all be 515am sign ins and 2100 finish. And the only trips left in OT are the trips you told PBS you didn't want.

Now, the senior guys have to share the pain. a line might have 3 or 4 great trips but 1 crappy 1. with PBS they get nothing but the good stuff. you want xmas off but its on wednesday, now some junior guys get to see a weekend, same with other holidays.

whats a 5% pay cut really mean. all you need is 2 conflicts per year month to month and 1 training event and your back even.

for you senior FO's, just remember you will be a junior captain before long so you have to look at it from the bottom end of the list rather than the top. Also upgrading just 1 month earlier covers a lot of months of 5% less at FO pay PBS reduces the # of CA so upgrades are now farther away.

You DTS your vacation now you are at 17 or more days off in a row. the new system will only guarantee you 13. not enough time for trips to the pacific side of the world they provide no protection if you are junior that a trip wont finish at 10pm before and 6am after you vacation week effectively making it only 11 days for vacay!!!

There are no trip or duty rigs built in to PBS system. everyone remember the 13 hr 4 day trips or 9 hr 3 day trips. its nice the company decided not to build those during the PBS test months isn't it? will they still put the same effort into it after its live?

A lot of guys don't like the unknown of what the system will do when it goes into denial mode. The way it is now, you know what your getting if you bid that line.

I think there is a decent chance we'll be voting on something other than PBS first. We'll see.

Not a chance.. It's a fact. Expect something soon. Stay tuned.

tomorrow in fact the 24th

I feel like Mason never left.

Thanks Mason.

At our current rate of upgrades PBS will likely cost FOs close to a year delay in upgrade.

PBS means less captains.

Last I checked we are waging a war of attrition with the company.

Lower staffing requirements negate our strategy, I don't know why anyone is even considering voting this in.

Line bidding is also not just more pilots required, the more upgrades result in more pilots acquiring TPIC, and even more actually leaving for other majors.

Also if they try to take another 5% from us in retaliation that will further exasperate their difficulties attracting new hires. So the effect of keeping what we have is exponentially better, when looked at from a perspective of putting pressure on the company, exerting leverage, and guys actually getting out of here for greener pastures.

Just plan ahead. Im a McO commuter and never being stuck since I moved here last year. I just lost one Flight and was able to get on the next one.

In Sept they will increase more flying from MIA and McO. It will be around 11 flights a day. We currently have a gap between 6:30pm until 10:25pm with no flights. That gap will be filled with 2 more flights and an extra flight at 11:40pm (I thinks, somewhere around that time).

Worst case, you drive around 3grs going back home. I've done it before...