just as a reminder, AAL reported, once again, record breaking profits!!!

Supposedly. But unfortunately we find ourselves in a different situation, one that's going to require us to come to a mutual agreement. But I'm not a burn it down guy so... It's all premature anyway. We don't have any clue as to what they're gonna come up with, if anything at all!!

You've already came to a mutual agreement. You've given stuff up. You didn't get what was promised. I would think that needs to be addressed first before negotiating something new.

One thing I don't get. Why is the pilot group going so crazy about these airplanes? They don't represent any growth, just re-fleeting. Nothing changes, you still get to be a 9 year FO regardless if you get the airplanes or not.

Yeah, then it'll be 10 year FO, then 12 year FO, then 15 year FO as the ERJs are parked with no replacement. Keeping the same fleet size is a win with all the movement to AA. Why is that hard to understand?

Well since our fleet is becoming obsolete we kind of need them don't we? If I recall correctly the 145's are all to be parked by around 2020 or so. Also, new hires are going where the planes are going so if we can secure the planes, increase the flow and do it with minimal to no concessions then people will come here and the 9 year upgrade as you say will be cut in half. We still have another 700 guys to flow over in the next couple years not to mention those that get hired by other carriers aside from AA so movement will happen pretty fast but only if they get a deal done or decide to put the airplanes here anyway.

It's not the same size fleet, bigger planes mean less demand for pilots.

And ZERO planes equals ZERO demand for pilots... Not our job to bring airplanes here never the less, we find ourselves in this predicament ...

Nobody has ever said it's your job to bring airplanes anywhere. STOP overreacting like a bunch of uneducated children. Your union is doing great things on your behalf. Just wait until you have actually read details yourself and stop going off of hearsay and what somebody tells you.

If the company doesn't want to have airplanes on the property, a small requirement in order to generate revenue, that's really their business. You can't look at it like their decision to have new jets on the property is a favor to you.

How do you know? :confused: