Every regional is hiring, unless he lives in Miami there is a better choice in every base. If the guy got the offer from us he could go to any regional out there. Why waste the time coming here just to apply at another regional?

Everyone wants to move on, I get that. Not many people want to make a career at any regional, let alone Eagle. Are guys getting hired without PIC? Yes. There is no arguing having PIC looks better on a resume than not having it though, not to mention the fact you'll make a significantly larger sum of money at a regional as a CA than a FO. Bottom line is a new hire may never upgrade here. Envoy is not good for career progression, period.

12% of the Envoy seniority has bypassed flow (300ish).

12-14% of the next 650 pilots to flow have either not selected a flow decision or have declined.

650 flows at the current rate would take 3 years if everyone stayed at the airline and flowed. This would complete the 824 flow provision.

3 years from now the pilot flowing would be between Pay step 13 and 14 at the time he/she flows. By that same time period the 12% lifer group would have lost 4% due to age 65.

40 out of the top 300 are inactive and not filling any role in the airline at this time, 10 on top of that are pilots in management positions. 30 of the top 300 are flight academy instructors.

As things stand today, we have 300 pilots who have bypassed flow and are consider to be completing their 121 career at Envoy. 220 of them are active line pilots out of the 2200 ish pilots we have line qualified or in long term training. So 10% of the Envoy pilot group is considered "lifers", shrinking the airline just increases that percentage, maintaining a sizable operation decreases that percentage.

By the time the last of the 40 E-175 is delivered 25-35% of the "lifers" would have turned 65!

*I had to bounce between multiple lists, the numbers aren't 100% accurate but they are close enough to give you a good snapshot of what is actually happening here and why the sky isn't falling; why management continues to behave as it does. We are that thing that you don't like but you can't part from because when you get down to it, there is value there and the cost aren't as high. We are not Compass, most of our pilots have underwear older than Compass, but we are not the train wreck that management makes us out to be and people jump on the bandwagon because of a headline.

How many 18+ year pilots does, SKW, AWAC, ASA-EXJ, RAH, PDT, CommuteAir and PSA have and what percentage is that of their operation?

The real truth is that nobody knows. This industry is in so much flux right now that an airline that looks great today might look horrible tomorrow and visa versa. Who knows? Maybe the talks between mgmt and the union actually do lead towards a new agreement that gets ratified which significantly boosts hiring at envoy; in that case he would be at the front of the hiring spree and coming to eagle now would have been the best regional airline based decision he could have made. So perhaps instead of trying to discourage someone so much you can be a little more level headed about the whole thing.

PDT has about 350 pilots (320 of which are active). About 100 pilots (90 active) have 18+ years of service.

37 pilots for PSA....~750 total on the list.

There's ~90 above the new 12 year cap. Of those 90 there will be probably 30 gone by the end of this year.

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Thanks,

What is the status of the flow? I know for a while they were withholding you guys.

What is the status of vacations? Have they stopped canceling or buying back vacation, I can't remember what they did.

In the spring there was a reduction in block hours, how are the block hours compared to last summer?

They stopped taking guys from March until last month. 2 went last month, 2 this month, 4 for August, and then extras each month after that to catch up. We'll see about the "extras", I'll believe it when I see it. Regardless, 48 need to be gone by Dec.

Vacations were cancelled I believe only in feb and march. There were only a handful of guys(~5) that it actually happened to.

We are back to normal block hours, with an increase in August. I'd have to look how this summer compares to last but I'd guess it was about the same. The reduction was again, at the same time as everything else was going bad(Feb through Aprilish). It was almost 100% cause by poor planning by mgmt. A certain high level employee doesn't have a job anymore come August. Rumor has it that few month period was the straw that broke the camel's back.

There are some here at Envoy who still refuse to believe PSA and Mesa are staffing and filling up each new hire class.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

^^^^^^PSA and Mesa are getting new aircraft and or growing. They are filling their classes but still have a 40% ish new hire washout rate. If our management is truly concerned about staffing, they do know how to put an end to the attrition of FO's and lack of new hires. The ball is 100% in their court on the attrition and new hire issue.