Eaglevoy has 400-500 gummers who will never leave.

Envoy is a shrinking airline, we're losing CAs, but we're also losing planes. As planes are parked there are less available CA seats.

On top of this there is no one coming in the door as a new hire, you need FOs to replace the upgraded FOs or the model falls apart. We're in this situation today, not enough CAs but not enough FOs to upgrade.

Also as someone else said, Envoy has 2-300 CAs at the top of the list who are here til they retire. That doesn't leave many CA spots for an airline projected to have a little over 100 aircraft.

You're correct that the widespread stagnation is probably over, but at a shrinking carrier like Envoy it still exists and will exist for the forseeable future.

Contrary to what others have said, this opinion is not based on my opinion of the company or job. I'm trying to help someone new to this industry avoid a massive mistake by coming here.

300 lifers - the rest flow

You must be because the union said not to long ago that Envoy will shrink, will need 47% fewer pilots. Here's the link.

News for May 12th, 2014 | Airline Pilot Info

Two things to look at: those moving on and growth. We currently have around 400-500 senior CA's who are staying here, effectively freezing 400-500 CA vacancies. Second we are shrinking and not growing, again freezing new CA vacancies. Things are slow to glacial here right now. 7 year upgrade currently, very few CA vacancies, parking planes and not getting anything new(yet). Its all a recipe for a slow upgrade.

You are really that thick?
The number is 300

@theycallmered
I'm curious now if you are reconsidering based on what you have learned.

You guys crack me up. Any new guy that asks "Who should I work for?" gets the answer "an airline that has a base you can live at." I'm in that position. I feel sorry for you miserable nerds. I've lived with and worked with you pessimistic people and it's annoying. I've been lurking on here for a while trying to gather who should I work for and I feel like the vast majority of you sad nerds would complain no matter what happened. Can you idiots stop being condescending wise@sses and have an intelligent conversation?

I'll respect that. Just answer me one question. Do you accept as fact the lengthy upgrade time?

I never understood this logic. Ever. These are my thoughts:

1) TAKE THE DAMN JOB. (See #2)

2) You don't have to stay here.

3) Never get comfortable.

To elaborate: Get the job. Get paid during training. Get a free type rating. Get 121 experience. Fly with some great people. Fly with professionals.

Don't want to stay? Great! None of us did. If you want to chase the upgrade somewhere else, keep your apps out and turn in your two weeks when the time comes. This is business, no need to feel bad. Do what's best for you.

Closely related to not wanting to stay: Don't get comfortable. Keep those apps out and updated. You never know. Keep your eye on the prize.


There's no reason not to take the job. There are also plenty of reasons not to make Envoy a long term employment choice (at this time).