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09-25-2014 | 06:20 PM

#441

lakehouse

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From: forever fo

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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999

Better question , if nobody is going to be at the regionals in 8 years, why is the 12/4 payscale so non negotiable?

Oh that's right. Scott Krby just told the APA pilots at the ORD meeting they will offer delta rates + 3% but they want scope relief (89 seats for regionals) in return

I hope as this new generation of pilots moves in over the next few years, they remember how important scope is and never ever ever give it up again.

09-25-2014 | 06:30 PM

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It's more likely that the regionals will become the new majors. They already know regional pilots will do anything so there is no incentive to do you any favors at the majors either. Life will be changing there as well as the current crop of regionals start to move over. I don't see today's regional pilots making the kind of money at the majors that todays major pilots make.

09-25-2014 | 06:52 PM

#443

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Originally Posted by JetPilotMan

I've been around this industry for more than 15 years. I'm not the "oldest of timers" but I'm not a newbie either. I've seen close-hand Comair shutdown. I've seen the growth in the early 2000s and the stagnation... I've seen the "new" regional airlines...the true start ups...

So, here's a question for everyone to ponder -

IF the market is so good for the regionals (they can whipsaw, 12/4 pay caps, and lots of pilots around) [all of which are actually imho the last gasp of a dying segment of the industry]

and SINCE the market and Mainline at ALL TIME HIGHS for profit taking (stock market peaked at over 17000---highest ever; huge profits at the now consolidated Majors AND LCCs like Spirit and Allegiant are #2-3)

THEN - why no truly NEW startup regionals?
Why ONLY the whipsaw...

Just food for thought... Hey, if the mainlines really think they can low-ball forever...why aren't we seeing NEW carriers. Like the next-generation SkyWest with no union? Just wondering. Mainlines are upgrading their fleets, reducing debt, ... LCCs are growing rapidly to fill a void ... but the regional flying is shrinking. If the resources (pilots at low pay) are really there...why nothing truly new?

I have my thoughts...but I thought I'd throw it out there...just for fun!

Say I'm Richard Anderson or Parker...why not say, 100% of you will flow, we'll do it fast, you're the new (and only) pipeline, we'll make it only you, etc....

The closest we've really come is Endeavor and that, from what I understand, isn't working (at least the EtoD...)...

Building a start up takes a bunch of cash building the certificate and all that goes with it. Ten years ago, it may have been worth the risk to invest in a start up (there were alter egos that have flourished).

But right now, nobody is sure what the "regional" airline of the future will look like. Time to hunker down, pay a couple percent more for an established carrier, and find out what is going to happen.

Heck, there are airports that are running operations at 100 percent: there can be only so many departures from a given runway. For example, JFK and LGA are pretty close to being maxed out. The odds of building a new airport in NYC are nil. So, if more pax are to be serviced, they must be in larger aircraft. The death of (or at least the limiting) of regionals may end up being airport capacity.

Or to put it another way, why are there articulated buses? Because either the roadway won't accommodate two buses or it is cheaper to run one big bus, even if the driver is paid more, than running two buses.

09-28-2014 | 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Std Deviation

Number 2490-something reporting for duty...

minus 20 every month( as of now ) for flow with basically no new hires coming in.

09-28-2014 | 06:19 AM

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....and to give a real meaning to the title of the thread, There is Good News, ( at least for me) I have finally accepted a corporate position flying a large size jet a few minutes from home.

I wish all my envoy,PSA,PDT pilots good luck. You guys won't progress unless Alpa is out of the equation. I will stop here from time to time to check on things.

RJ