Tears are running as I read your post. You mean like you guys who voted and changed our scope let's not forget. You mean you and your class who voted yes blindly to concessions yes I worry I worry that there are to many of your types. You made your position clear also. Bend to management whims at every turn.

 

Can you show supporting financial documents that support your statement regarding costs if not you are just passing around management bull. You must hang out with bzzt.

 

You need "supporting financial documents" to help you with common sense?

I could do the math for you, but somehow I don't think you're really all that interested in the truth,....or common sense.

And no, I'm not a management stoolie. I'm just a line pilot,....with common sense,.....and a grasp on reality.

 

Really the reality is that this who take pay cuts and freezes constantly make even the one who is cheap today expensive tomorrow. So common sense escapes you it seems and grasping well that's your personal issue.

Line guy where?

 

[QUOTE=buddies8;1732252].....the one who is cheap today expensive tomorrow. QUOTE]

"Can you show supporting financial documentation to support your statement"? (I read that somewhere and thought it sounded really smart).

 

Pilot hourly wages do not alone dictate cost per ASM. The company controls its expenditure on all levels. $5 an hour difference in pay does not mean much in terms of a company that generates over 1 billion dollars in revenue. Do not kid yourself that THAT is the reason company A is more expensive than company B.

 

Alright. You want some number? Fine. Here ya go.

The average Eagle Captain is at approximately 10 years pay ($87/hr). The average Eagle F/O is at approximately 5 year pay ($40/hr). That's a total of $127 per hour.

The average PSA Captain is at approximately 7 year pay ($75/hr), while the average PSA F/O is currently on second year pay ($34/hr). That's a total of $109 per hour.

Additionally, (and perhaps more importantly to Dougie and the boys), PSA and/or PDT are going to have to grow tremendously in order to staff all of the additional aircraft. And as they add pilots, (more than double, in the case of PSA), their hourly crew costs will drop precipitously. Currently, PSA upgrades are at or near 2 years and will drop below 2 years by about year-end. A 2 year Captain and 1st year F/O at PSA costs AAG $88 per hour,..... combined!

These numbers may be off by 20% one way or the other. But anyone with an open mind should get the gist of it. And remember: don't shoot the messenger.

 

Lol. Yep, if this was the third grade, I'd be devastated.

 

Wow, a well thought out post Bzzt. Usually your posts are bemoaning your position and come across as whining. I wished that you had taken that Compass job. In the long run, it's another regional but you should be a Captain in short order that should enable you to move on to better places sooner rather than later. There are plenty of other jobs out there that include other regionals if you absolutely have to in order to move on right now. I spent years as an Eagle FO and bailed earlier this year for a LCC. I know you've tried hard to move on. And yes, I got lucky but I did put a lot of effort into my search as well. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time as my quals were no different than a thousand others out there.

The best thing Eagle pilots can do is bail out of that AAG cesspool as quickly as possible. Even if it's only for a "slightly greener" pasture if that's all you can find. Hopefully it's not another regional, but if it is then you have to do what you have to do. Hopefully, more Eagle guys walk out the door than what AAG requires at the moment. That's sure to put them in a bind and they aren't counting on it. I'm sure are counting on having enough bodies to play their chess game up until the point where they are ready to furlough and conveniently dispose of the pieces that aren't needed.

AAG knows they can count on the top 500 to be around, but anyone below that hopefully has their apps in everywhere with numbers 500 to 800 or so with the flow as a backup plan only.

Knowing management reads these boards, it only hurts the pilots when you read the overload of grammatical and spelling errors on these posts along with the incessant bi**hing and moaning. We really come across as a bunch of dip**its.

Use these boards as a networking tool and focus on posting positive things like big attrition numbers or multiple flights cancelled due to no crew. I wished that EGL ALPA would post attrition numbers on a monthly basis. It can only help to look at the overall picture and put together what's going on.

Unfortunately your union isn't looking out for you. My LCC is ALPA also and I cannot believe the difference. I view regional ALPA's almost as an extension of management. There were definitely some good volunteers at EGL ALPA over the years but when you really need them they prove to be largely ineffective.

Examples are repeated contract violations, MA's for the 117 reserve fiasco and shortchanging by the payroll department on a consistent basis with almost no recourse over my 7 years there. I tried to use proper channels but I never felt that the union was there to back me up should I really need them. Again, I must stress that there were some great reps and other volunteers that really tried hard, but the organization as a whole is virtually worthless.

 

Nice! Pair a less then 2 year captain with a fresh FO. Look out for a ton on ASAP and NASA reports!!! Hopefully we won't see loss of lives!!!