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dropping certain eagle/envoy markets should have been expected anyway - if nothing else for frequency/capacity reasons

So the company ended talks, and are now offering a take-it-or-leave-it last last last last and final offer that the MEC is going to vote on this week...? And either way we are essentially http://www.pinbax.com/items/Csk-Screw.gif

Looks like it will be a fairly close vote as to whether it goes to the pilots or not. And either way we lose.

Anyone have a good chocolate pudding recipe?

Was the take it or leave it worse then PSA and PDT's??

Who the hell is leaking this junk?

Glass and his pupets

They want us to give into concessions and not give us a fleet plan? Only a promise of planes? Yeah, **** that.

See what promises not printed on paper got us this time? Only a moron would expect us to sign anything that doesn't contain language stating those promises.

Once it's on paper, it's not a promise.

It's a contract.

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Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1761178)

Was the take it or leave it worse then PSA and PDT's??

Aren't you too busy getting spinal reconstruction therapy to be concerned about baseless Eagle rumors?

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1759713)

Isn't there a no furlough clause at Envoy ?

Yes they do, but it's worth less than the paper it is written on.

Furloughing is costly and that's what is stopping Envoy from furloughing. Not because they can't, but because it's there are cheaper methods of reducing a pilot group.

Fear and intimidation such as saying the airline will be shut down or turned into a ground operation, promises to give away all the 70 seat aircraft and shrinking the airline into nothing by slowly retiring all 50-seaters and by closing bases one by one until there are none.

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Originally Posted by Romulus (Post 1761688)

That is really easier said than done in many cases. The company can't just send an entire base worth of flying to a different company,since that particular base is geographically located for a reason.
The other company can't simply absorb anything thrown at it either.

Base closings are for strategic reasons, but a company may try to intimidate their employees by making these threats. Close a base while claiming it is a direct result of the failed union contract....or something.