Bazinga!
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that's pupettes

So much for smartphone spell checker, thanks for the correction.

You're preaching to the choir, brutha. The furlough protection IS worth the paper it's printed on unless Envoy pilots CBA is nullified. That being said, normal attrition will prevent furloughs up to a point and then the problem is the opposite for management........then they have to worry about too much attrition too fast.

Are you implying a company management team would lie to avoid fulfilling their end of a contract?

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You gave up a lot of concessions for that no furlough clause and I sincerely hope you are correct.

The no furlough clause was a direct result of having a fleet plan guarantee removed by the company at the last minute of bankruptcy negotiations. Or so we were led to believe. Did we really give up the fleet plan or did we have no real choice in the matter? Obviously speaking in terms of while we were in BK, not since then.

clarification
 

One of our MEC members is stating that the reason there is no TA is because management refuses to place a better flow or substantial fleet plan on the table. I'm not sure what negotiations he is watching, maybe it is the APFA flight attendants, but AA and Envoy management are offering a minimum flow of 30 per month and 360 per year. I may not be a math genius but 30 per month and 360 per year MINIMUM is greater than 20 per month and 240 per year. If our MEC had shared management's proposal with you, you would already know that.

With reference to a "substantial fleet plan," you may recall that a year ago, management offered a minimum fleet plan of 170 aircraft (2 times higher than the only other fleet plan in the regional industry) but Envoy pilots rejected it after the MEC told us the pilot shortage would cause management to come crawling back to the table. In reality, management went out and placed 40 of our aircraft at cheaper regionals and is now back offering us the remaining 130. Hard to offer a fleet plan greater than the orders and options you have on the table and don't forget that we're the ones that turned down the fleet plan.

What the MEC is not telling you, is that they have been told that there is a deadline coming up and if the Envoy pilots don't ratify a deal in short order, more of the remaining orders are already slated to go to another carrier.

So while the gentleman from New York is telling you that management isn't offering an enhanced flow (untrue) and a substantial fleet plan (management is offering us the remaining orders and options), the truth is that we are heading toward a cliff and no one on the MEC feels that it is appropriate to tell you the truth.

Some of you claim that I am a management spy, which is not true. I am just an average line pilot with his ear to the ground. But regardless of what you believe I am, the truth is that the MEC is playing games and hiding facts from the pilots whose jobs are on the line. You might want to ask "why"?

I'm pretty sure the first steps have been taken off that cliff you speak of. Also, let me rephrase your sentence..."the truth is that AA management is playing games and hiding facts from the pilots whose jobs are on the line."

Funny that they can offer an immediate increase in flow to 30/month if we agree to concessions, but allowing more than 20/month to abide by the arbitrator's decision is a hardship that will disrupt the operation. Unless we agree to concessions. Can there even be the slightest illusion that they aren't willfully disregarding an arbitrator's decision in order to punish a pilot group? It is CRYSTAL clear that they are REQUIRED to release enough pilots to maintain an aggregate 50% of AA new-hires from the beginning of the 824 flow period, unless it is impossible. At this point I guarantee that they are far enough behind to warrant releasing 30/month anyway. But, unless we agree to concessions, it's a hardship for the operation.