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Originally Posted by boiler07
(Post 1782466)
I asked this question and the options referenced in PDT's contract are separate on paper. They were purchased at a different time than the firm orders and options referenced in the Envoy TA. In short, all options do not come from the same pool.
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Originally Posted by boiler07
(Post 1782466)
I asked this question and the options referenced in PDT's contract are separate on paper. They were purchased at a different time than the firm orders and options referenced in the Envoy TA. In short, all options do not come from the same pool.
Someone read the PDT Contract. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1782476)
This...
Someone read the PDT Contract. |
Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX
(Post 1782478)
Dude, not trying to start an argument but that isn't correct. They are from the same "pool" of options. Not only that apparently they are the FIRST batch of options
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please post the contract section defining that.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1782861)
please post the contract section defining that.
NOW THEREFORE it is agreed that: 1. Piedmont Airlines Minimum Fleet Commitment and CBA "Snap Back" a. Piedmont will maintain a minimum of twenty (20) airframes in revenue service to be operated by pilots on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List (“Piedmont pilots’) in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement (the “Piedmont/ALPA CBA”). b. If the number of airframes in revenue service at Piedmont falls below twenty (20), the Association will have the right by written notice to Piedmont to require Piedmont to put back in place the terms and conditions of the 2013 Piedmont/ALPA CBA (the “snap back”) prior to amendments found in the Jet Aircraft Letter of Agreement. The snap back terms and conditions will be effective on the first day of the month following the one in which the Association gives such notice. c. The terms and conditions of the Career Opportunities Letter of Agreement will remain in full force and effect whether or not the Association elects to snap back to the 2013 CBA terms and conditions. 2. The Placement of EMB-175 Aircraft at Piedmont Airlines a. Subject to the labor contingency found in paragraph 2.c., below, a minimum of twenty (20) EMB-175 aircraft will be placed into revenue service at Piedmont Airlines to be operated by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. PIEDMONT AIRLINES PILOT AGREEMENT Letter of Agreement 19 – Jet Aircraft: Appendix D – Aircraft Commitments b. Twenty (20) additional EMB-175 options, if exercised or turned into firm orders of new EMB- 175s from the manufacturer, will also be placed at PIedmont to be flown by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. In the event the twenty (20) EMB- 175 options are not exercised, and instead a new order is placed with Embraer, the first twenty (20) the EMB-175 aircraft of the new order placed with Embraer by American Airlines Group (AAG) will be placed at Piedmont and flown by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. c. The commitments in this paragraph 2 are predicated on meaningful participation in Jet Aircraft Negotiations by other labor groups at Piedmont. The commitment for EMB-175 aircraft herein is contingent upon reaching acceptable agreements with the AFA-represented Flight Attendants and the IBT-represented Mechanics and related employee groups. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1782944)
WHEREAS the Parties wish to ensure that Piedmont Airlines continues to operate.
NOW THEREFORE it is agreed that: 1. Piedmont Airlines Minimum Fleet Commitment and CBA "Snap Back" a. Piedmont will maintain a minimum of twenty (20) airframes in revenue service to be operated by pilots on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List (“Piedmont pilots’) in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement (the “Piedmont/ALPA CBA”). b. If the number of airframes in revenue service at Piedmont falls below twenty (20), the Association will have the right by written notice to Piedmont to require Piedmont to put back in place the terms and conditions of the 2013 Piedmont/ALPA CBA (the “snap back”) prior to amendments found in the Jet Aircraft Letter of Agreement. The snap back terms and conditions will be effective on the first day of the month following the one in which the Association gives such notice. c. The terms and conditions of the Career Opportunities Letter of Agreement will remain in full force and effect whether or not the Association elects to snap back to the 2013 CBA terms and conditions. 2. The Placement of EMB-175 Aircraft at Piedmont Airlines a. Subject to the labor contingency found in paragraph 2.c., below, a minimum of twenty (20) EMB-175 aircraft will be placed into revenue service at Piedmont Airlines to be operated by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. PIEDMONT AIRLINES PILOT AGREEMENT Letter of Agreement 19 – Jet Aircraft: Appendix D – Aircraft Commitments b. Twenty (20) additional EMB-175 options, if exercised or turned into firm orders of new EMB- 175s from the manufacturer, will also be placed at PIedmont to be flown by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. In the event the twenty (20) EMB- 175 options are not exercised, and instead a new order is placed with Embraer, the first twenty (20) the EMB-175 aircraft of the new order placed with Embraer by American Airlines Group (AAG) will be placed at Piedmont and flown by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. c. The commitments in this paragraph 2 are predicated on meaningful participation in Jet Aircraft Negotiations by other labor groups at Piedmont. The commitment for EMB-175 aircraft herein is contingent upon reaching acceptable agreements with the AFA-represented Flight Attendants and the IBT-represented Mechanics and related employee groups. Read it again. They must enter MEANINGFUL Negotiations with IBT and AFA. Also re read paragraph 2 a b and c. The options are the issue. |
See, no options to PDT unless agreement are reach with FA and Mx. Are PDT FAs and MX in negotiations?
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1782948)
See, no options to PDT unless agreement are reach with FA and Mx. Are PDT FAs and MX in negotiations?
There is CLEARLY obligation for those talks on AMR's part. THEY ARE DEALING THE PLANES TO BOTH OF US. Like I said before, I'm not trying to start a fight, just pointing out this issue and rumor has it talks are underway high within ALPA, PDT ALPA and other parties re this issue. |
Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX
(Post 1782950)
THEY ARE DEALING THE PLANES TO BOTH OF US.
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