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boiler07 12-12-2014 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1781997)
It is permissible to drop the "F" bomb on Union teleconferences, but only by the MEC chair.
FAQ about scope, pay rates, fleet guarantee, and flow language. The overall attitude from most participants was that they were trying to assess the different sections and gain a better understanding of the landscape we find ourselves in. Many previous no voters were, unsurprisingly, caught off guard with this year's events, and there was a much more level headed attitude this time around.

RJ Pilot 12-12-2014 05:06 PM
LOL'd I see the PSA, PDT, Mesa, TSA turds salivating on envoys Ejets. Vote NO eny pilots, do it for the industry! Your votes affects our future!!

BTW where is Mr. Gardner? Heard he is still out there "trying to lie" once again..


Good Luck.

TalkTurkey 12-12-2014 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1782047)
Just received this e-mail from Envoy.

Envoy Air Inc. and its pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, have reached a Tentative Agreement (TA). If ratified by the pilot group, this TA will offer increased flow to American Airlines for current Envoy pilots, a fleet commitment of 40 Embraer 175 aircraft, and an additional 90 Embraer 175 options. This agreement will also offer flow through to future new hire pilots. No interview is necessary to flow to American Airlines. The tenants of this TA make this an industry leading flow through agreement.

Pilots who have not yet reached the ATP minimum flight time can still apply and be considered for an interview. Selected pilots will be placed into new hire training once ATP requirements are met. We are hiring into both First Officer positions and our Pipeline Instructor Program. Apply today to get your career started with Envoy!

For more information regarding the Pipeline Instructor Program or First Officer positions with Envoy, please visit our website at Envoy Careers LP | Envoy. With questions regarding employment openings please email us at [email protected] or [email protected].
What is increased flow exactly? I'll tell you one thing though; flow through for new hires = the last mass exodus of regional FOs and the end of pilot staffing for ENY

Pilottim79 12-12-2014 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1782071)
LOL'd I see the PSA, PDT, Mesa, TSA turds salivating on envoys Ejets. Vote NO eny pilots, do it for the industry! Your votes affects our future!!

BTW where is Mr. Gardner? Heard he is still out there "trying to lie" once again..


Good Luck.
As a "TSA turd" I don't salivate over anyone's airplanes. I am happy and content to fly what we have. I don't think we would have gotten any new flying at all if other carriers hadn't taken it upon themselves to park airplanes.

We didn't take anyone's flying. We just are flying planes that were on their way to being parked.

PilotCrusader 12-12-2014 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1782092)
As a "TSA turd" I don't salivate over anyone's airplanes. I am happy and content to fly what we have. I don't think we would have gotten any new flying at all if other carriers hadn't taken it upon themselves to park airplanes.

We didn't take anyone's flying. We just are flying planes that were on their way to being parked.
Thanks for saving those poor planes from being parked! You are a scholar and a gentleman sir.

CLT Guy 12-12-2014 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1782071)
LOL'd I see the PSA, PDT, Mesa, TSA turds salivating on envoys Ejets. Vote NO eny pilots, do it for the industry! Your votes affects our future!!
Every time that one pilot makes a negative comment toward another pilot, the management wins. You are the exact person that they are hoping to create. Congratulations, you are helping them win.

They are trying to drive the different pilot groups apart. You are proof that they are succeeding. Wake up and realize that you are the problem.

globalexpress 12-12-2014 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1782047)
Envoy Air Inc. and its pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, have reached a Tentative Agreement (TA). If ratified by the pilot group, this TA will offer increased flow to American Airlines for current Envoy pilots, a fleet commitment of 40 Embraer 175 aircraft, and an additional 90 Embraer 175 options. This agreement will also offer flow through to future new hire pilots. No interview is necessary to flow to American Airlines. The tenants of this TA make this an industry leading flow through agreement.

Pilots who have not yet reached the ATP minimum flight time can still apply and be considered for an interview. Selected pilots will be placed into new hire training once ATP requirements are met. We are hiring into both First Officer positions and our Pipeline Instructor Program. Apply today to get your career started with Envoy!

90 options? What does that mean? AMR has 90 options to dangle in front of ALL of their regional feeders to fight over or those are guaranteed to come to Envoy?

And American is allowing guys to flow from Envoy to American without an interview when the flow takes place? How does American control the "quality" (however American determines "quality") of the pilots they hire?

PilotJ3 12-12-2014 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by globalexpress (Post 1782179)
90 options? What does that mean? AMR has 90 options to dangle in front of ALL of their regional feeders to fight over or those are guaranteed to come to Envoy?

And American is allowing guys to flow from Envoy to American without an interview when the flow takes place? How does American control the "quality" (however American determines "quality") of the pilots they hire?
90 E-175 options are guaranteed to come to envoy. That doesn't mean AAG can't use RAH options.

AE to AA flow is no interview, no medical exams, nothing, just pick your bags and go to training. Quality? Envoy have one of the hardes training and interviews out there.

PDTpilotXX 12-12-2014 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1782182)
90 E-175 options are guaranteed to come to envoy. That doesn't mean AAG can't use RAH options.

AE to AA flow is no interview, no medical exams, nothing, just pick your bags and go to training. Quality? Envoy have one of the hardes training and interviews out there.
100% False on the options. 100% true on the flows.

buddies8 12-12-2014 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by globalexpress (Post 1782179)
90 options? What does that mean? AMR has 90 options to dangle in front of ALL of their regional feeders to fight over or those are guaranteed to come to Envoy? if they exercise the options which they placed with the firm 60 order

And American is allowing guys to flow from Envoy to American without an interview when the flow takes place? How does American control the "quality"(however American determines "quality") of the pilots they hire?
the 824 and the following flow after, are all on probation they fail you in training if you can not get through or by years end before coming off probation for being a lousy pilot. they control one way or another. all you are guaranteed is to walk through the door, how long you stay is up to you.


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