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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1780049)
I'm sure it's on the airplanes you own, not on the airplanes provided by the partner.
Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
(Post 1780050)
No they don't. They have alter ego language. Way different.
Originally Posted by RAH CBA
The Company will not transfer aircraft, or operating authority to its Parent, a Subsidiary of the Parent, or to a Subsidiary of the Company for the purpose of evading the terms of this Agreement. The Company will also not establish a third party leasing device to evade the terms of this agreement.
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Originally Posted by thump
(Post 1780211)
RAH scope language covers leased aircraft as well. In short all owned or leased aircraft shall be operated by pilots on our seniority list.
I politely disagree, you should read the scope section of our contract. In addition to "alter-ego" language, it also has the following provision: But, no worries there because RAH is actually pretty good about keeping costs in line. |
Originally Posted by thump
(Post 1780211)
RAH scope language covers leased aircraft as well. In short all owned or leased aircraft shall be operated by pilots on our seniority list.
I politely disagree, you should read the scope section of our contract. In addition to "alter-ego" language, it also has the following provision: And all that can be yours for 20,000 a year in the right seat of a E-Jet along with crazy healthcare cost and a training contract. Sweet!! Where do we sign up. |
Envoy is in a pickle. Vote Yes and shrink, vote no and still shrink but knowing you have a bit of a future with some 175's.
Bottom line is Parker in no way shape or form wants one of his WO'ed regionalsdoing 90% of it's flying. Probably wants all 3 about the same size or 2 regionals the same size depending on Envoy's vote. He isn't going to allow one regional carrier to be as big as Eagle was. If Piedmont had voted "no" we would've just shrunk to nothing due to everyone leaving as they already were and other contract carriers would've took over the flying we were doing without even blinking. Pretty easy to put some RJ's from other Carriers to fill in for only 36 prop planes. Envoy being way bigger has been more of an issue with Parker. Envoy can vote "Yes" and that's fine. Or they can try to stick it to Parker and the wallets of AAG by voting "No". Either way he's going to get what he wants it's just a matter of how much money he is going to have to spend to get it. Besides a few of you that were bashing Piedmont over our TA I wish the rest of you luck in your choice. You've fought the fight do you continue or do you just throw your hands up and move on? |
Originally Posted by billyho
(Post 1780247)
Envoy is in a pickle. Vote Yes and shrink, vote no and still shrink but knowing you have a bit of a future with some 175's.
Bottom line is Parker in no way shape or form wants one of his WO'ed regionalsdoing 90% of it's flying. Probably wants all 3 about the same size or 2 regionals the same size depending on Envoy's vote. He isn't going to allow one regional carrier to be as big as Eagle was. If Piedmont had voted "no" we would've just shrunk to nothing due to everyone leaving as they already were and other contract carriers would've took over the flying we were doing without even blinking. Pretty easy to put some RJ's from other Carriers to fill in for only 36 prop planes. Envoy being way bigger has been more of an issue with Parker. Envoy can vote "Yes" and that's fine. Or they can try to stick it to Parker and the wallets of AAG by voting "No". Either way he's going to get what he wants it's just a matter of how much money he is going to have to spend to get it. Besides a few of you that were bashing Piedmont over our TA I wish the rest of you luck in your choice. You've fought the fight do you continue or do you just throw your hands up and move on? |
If this TA passes, I could never in good conscience recommend anyone to work at Eagle. What a horrible company. Eagle would still be better than going to PSA, but it will become a horrible company. What a horrible industry and a horrible career.
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Originally Posted by fisherman
(Post 1780256)
If this TA passes, I could never in good conscience recommend anyone to work at Eagle. What a horrible company. Eagle would still be better than going to PSA, but it will become a horrible company. What a horrible industry and a horrible career.
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
(Post 1780255)
Yeah, that makes it almost like a real airline with real pilots and real careers. Can't have that.
It might get to the point that the only way to get hired at American is by going through one of there WO'ed carriers once hiring slows down. I'm sure he's got a plan. Remember he didn't get to be the CEO of the largest airline by being dumb and not stepping on toes. |
Originally Posted by billyho
(Post 1780247)
Envoy is in a pickle. Vote Yes and shrink, vote no and still shrink but knowing you have a bit of a future with some 175's.
Bottom line is Parker in no way shape or form wants one of his WO'ed regionalsdoing 90% of it's flying. Probably wants all 3 about the same size or 2 regionals the same size depending on Envoy's vote. He isn't going to allow one regional carrier to be as big as Eagle was. If Piedmont had voted "no" we would've just shrunk to nothing due to everyone leaving as they already were and other contract carriers would've took over the flying we were doing without even blinking. Pretty easy to put some RJ's from other Carriers to fill in for only 36 prop planes. Envoy being way bigger has been more of an issue with Parker. Envoy can vote "Yes" and that's fine. Or they can try to stick it to Parker and the wallets of AAG by voting "No". Either way he's going to get what he wants it's just a matter of how much money he is going to have to spend to get it. Besides a few of you that were bashing Piedmont over our TA I wish the rest of you luck in your choice. You've fought the fight do you continue or do you just throw your hands up and move on? |
they all say that when it's contract time
drag out the script and parrot the lines who will ever know then promise a career at the major they won't fulfill and then come back and blame the pilots for costs seems to get the needed mileage every time |
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