So all those jets weren't guaranteed to come to Envoy in the first two TAs? Just trying to keep my facts straight.

OK, so that's good flow from an Envoy pilot's perspective.

Didn't mean to imply that Envoy pilots weren't quality pilots. It's just that if I were running an airline, I'd want to interview my own guys/gals and not be dependent upon some other entity's judgement. For example, if a pilot shortage really does materialize someday, maybe Envoy (or any regional with flow for that matter) starts digging deep into the gene pool just to fill seats. One would think American (or United, Delta, whoever) would want to screen their own guys/gals to protect against a scenario like that for example.

If this TA does pass, what would the potential junior bases be going forward? Would any new bases get introduced with the addition of the E-175s or would they likely be added to the existing ORD, DFW and New York bases?

A few months back they put an AAG/mainline guy in charge of envoy recruiting. Someone else might remember the guy's name. I don't.

Just FYI - people hired at eagle got a high level of scrutiny in the early '00. Cog, psych, hearing, x-ray. Full medical work up. Sim was a 707. While it wasn't an AA interview, it was by far the most intense regional hiring process out there.

That's just for those people at that time. Eagle is a bunch of different airlines mashed together who did not go through that process, and neither have those hired since then.

Entirely speculation here but my guess would be DFW. Republic is holding down the AA 175 operation in ORD so there isnt much room for expansion there - contrary to what many say, sometimes it just doesnt make sense to run a 175 to say EVV or LSE, thats where the 145s will continue to operate. That leaves DFW where there isnt much "large RJ" operations now. Once Pathetic Scum Airlines take our -700s (which are currently doing fly-throughs in DFW), only a few Mesa -900s would be down there.

Compass is getting the first 20 and those are most likely going out in LAX. IF for some reason compass doesnt do their AA 175 flying out in LAX, it is possible some of the Envoy 175s could start out there - but with Compass already opening a LAX base, I dont see it really likely they would go elsewhere.

Again - all speculation. This assumes JFK/LGA closes and Envoy is left with an ORD and DFW base.

Tell me what's false???

The first 90 e-175 options that AA place in order with the 60 orders in December 2013 come to envoy. If they want to activate PSA options, RAH options, SKywest Options they can do it and those airplanes won't come here.

What's false in my statement?

Guys hired after 10/11/2011 and new hires can't have any disciplinary action in their file to be eligible to flow.

Read the PDT ratified agreement. 20 options are for PDT. This is different from the contingencies for the PDT "firm" orders. Sounds like a legal fight might be brewing.

envoy pilots need to get the E-175's first. If not, Compass will get them. Find out what are the junior bases at Compass.


Good Luck.

I asked this question and the options referenced in PDT's contract are separate on paper. They were purchased at a different time than the firm orders and options referenced in the Envoy TA. In short, all options do not come from the same pool.