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mr25cents 12-14-2014 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 1783182)
You're implying that 1-2k hours of 121 PIC is the golden ticket to get hired at a major. That is far from accurate. Ask all the guys who have been captains for a few years who still can't get out of their current regional.

+1, that fairy tale of getting 1000 TPIC will get you automatically to the major is non-sense only new hires believe. Anyone with a couple of years at the regionals will tell you the real story: military, minorities, friends and family, not just recommendations BUT recommendations from people that matter, these are the people getting their foot at the majors, with exceptions here and there.

eaglefly 12-14-2014 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1783171)
I know since you are flying the G1 this probably all seems a little foreign to you. On the surface, flow through seems like a great thing but in reality its just a tool that management uses to obtain your obedience for 10 years, kind of like a carrot. The truth is you are better off going to a regional that is growing. Upgrade time should be the only thing on your mind, not 10 year flow throughs. You upgrade, then you are out of there in a year or two.

Maybe one day you will want to work for the airlines, this is a good place to learn some of the ropes. Good luck!

His statement of "silliness" is correct in one way and that's your assumption of his false front being real. He's a DFW based EMB captain for Envoy. He's got a lot at stake and with this deal he may decide not to flow to AA. He doesn't know anything about G1's or GV's and spends a lot of time on Envoy issues because he has skin in the game.

Firsttimeflyer 12-14-2014 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1783183)
Friends and Family, Interns, Military are the only ones getting hired without that golden PIC.


Good Luck.

Absolutely wrong...

RJ Pilot 12-14-2014 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer (Post 1783226)
Absolutely wrong...

Oh, yes. I forgot, Minorities, Women, etc...



Good Luck.

RJ Pilot 12-14-2014 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1783219)
His statement of "silliness" is correct in one way and that's your assumption of his false front being real. He's a DFW based EMB captain for Envoy. He's got a lot at stake and with this deal he may decide not to flow to AA. He doesn't know anything about G1's or GV's and spends a lot of time on Envoy issues because he has skin in the game.

Do you know any place to play those silly paint ball games?


Good Luck.

Lvlng4Spd 12-14-2014 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1783207)
Why, I won't be at Eagle, I'm in the flow. I'll be sure to watch a 300 pilot group help out the 2K pilot group over at AA though. Enjoy your staple. ;)

And I'm not in the flow? There won't be anywhere near 2,000 pilots at Envoy in the near future. Guess i'll save my staples for the mainline "no fly" list. Looks like i'll need to have a binder if some of you kids are there...then again, the extra $$ would never be worth it in such a "fantastic" work environment. Good luck on your voting thingy...hehe.

boiler07 12-14-2014 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1783183)
Friends and Family, Interns, Military are the only ones getting hired without that golden PIC.


Good Luck.

I think you missed my point.

RJ Pilot 12-14-2014 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 1783249)
And I'm not in the flow? There won't be anywhere near 2,000 pilots at Envoy in the near future. Guess i'll save my staples for the mainline "no fly" list. Looks like i'll need to have a binder if some of you kids are there...then again, the extra $$ would never be worth it in such a "fantastic" work environment. Good luck on your voting thingy...hehe.

When are you schedule to Flow just curious?


Good Luck.

Lvlng4Spd 12-14-2014 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1783277)
When are you schedule to Flow just curious?


Good Luck.

Just about 4 years from now. That is if everyone takes the flow, which they won't...

lavMan 12-14-2014 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1783164)
Well, considering the 9/11 attacks, recession and the fact that AA didn't hire in yrs.....What was your question again?

Good Luck.

Forgot a few. Biz Ex merger, flow backs, age 65. Carry on.....


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