ENVOY presented with details on new contract
 

I'm actually not sure if this will pass it's going to be very close

I think it very well may fail. A lot of captains would rather they keep the 12k and preserve the industry and their mainline careers. Tons of fos are really ****ed that yet again we got less than captains. Everyone feels it's an over reach with not one single fleet guarantee. 40 planes is ripe foor shutdown. Only yes votes are guys who feel they will eject soon because they are getting calls from majors or LLC and want 7500 out the door.

The company really messed up, first off most people don't care anymore and are in the process of either flowing or have put a years time into leaving and are getting calls from LLC or legacies. Only folks who don't have this are lifers who will ride it out till shut down. And those who never got off rsv and lack flight time. Further the above really ticked a lot off. They feel the company got greedy yet again. Having this guy glass and his office involved has really mess this up. The pilots feel shut it down at this point whatever. Gonna end up costing aag a ton of money in the end.

I can't believe people still think envoy has/had leverage

So when will the results post ?

I'm sorry but I fail to see how "burning it down" and indirectly sending 40 planes to another carrier, dropping upgrade times, enticing fos to make MORE lateral moves to chase an upgrade, increasing the whipsaw, eliminating a relatively well paid regional and leaving more lower paid ones to flight for the scraps, and giving up a guaranteed job at a legacy is preserving the industry and your future careers. In my eyes this would have the opposite effect.

How many pilots are on property at eagle?

2300-2400

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There are a lot of people doing their part to make sure it passes, even right here on this forum. Certain senior pilots especially want to maximize what's "good for them" and are VERY involved because they believe they have something to lose as senior Envoy captains. To you all and "them".....Good Luck. ;)

How many guys have bypassed the flow? Once you bypass that's it, right? You made your choice?

Are more people taking the flow now?

I am a senior pilot and my vote is NO. The flow is smoke and mirrors after the 824 are gone. The fleet commitment only applies if they can staff the airline if they cannot as we see currently they can't the planes don't come here. F/o get shafted only 7500 before taxes leaves them with 4000.
Anyone who votes yes is someone who is always afraid or has no idea what is playing out.

Vote yes and that mainline job won't be there even with retirements. You will be stuck here doing the job for less.