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ccjaxpilot 12-08-2014 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1778523)
If you don't think this is a deal worth voting in... Vote no. I have been following this thread as an outsider. I have heard a sentiment of "we will stand for what we believe in." The PSA, Pinnacle, Peidmont vote should have no bearing on your decisions. You guys have a tough decision to make but it is YOUR decision.

PSA and Piedmont took away our leverage. They couldn't shrink everyone if we all said NO.

tom11011 12-08-2014 05:00 AM

It doesn't matter what PSA or PDT pilots did or do, you guys have to hold the line for the good of the industry. There is no other way, you vote this in you are bringing the entire industry down on a much bigger scale then PDT and PSA, you have more pilots and represent the industry much much more.

ccjaxpilot 12-08-2014 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1778572)
It doesn't matter what PSA or PDT pilots did or do, you guys have to hold the line for the good of the industry. There is no other way, you vote this in you are bringing the entire industry down on a much bigger scale then PDT and PSA, you have more pilots and represent the industry much much more.

It's worse for the industry when our pilots are leaving to go to TSA, PSA, and Compass to start at year 1 pay.

amcnd 12-08-2014 05:05 AM

^bingo!!! Post of the day

billyho 12-08-2014 05:05 AM

Funny how those big balls and big talk go away when you feel the pressure of getting shut down! Now you see what position Piedmont was during all this. All you Envoy guys that talked crap to us (you know who you are) Piedmont Pilots all I can say is Karma is a son of a *****.
For the Envoy folks that understood our position I wish you luck with having a chance of a future and having job security with the AAG network.

I guess this is the part where XJet and Republic talk about your guys lowering the bar. Well you guys are up to bat now.

amcnd 12-08-2014 05:09 AM

Ya. What are the bad details?? All they talked about was the good.. 40 E175's... (Only after they have lots more then 40 aircraft to other airlines.. And it will take atleast 1 year to get 175's on property...

billyho 12-08-2014 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by diva (Post 1723762)
I agree with Ed Striker. Piedmont pilots are soon to realize what a mistake it was to fall for management's scare tactics. The whole industry is watching.

what? say it isn't so??

AdiosMikeFox 12-08-2014 05:38 AM

[QUOTE=slough;1778566]

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1778561)
We aren't voting on this knowingly expecting our co-workers to to take concessions to make our deal happen.[/QUOTE



Huh?



c. The commitments in this paragraph 2 are predicated on meaningful participation in Jet Aircraft Negotiations by other labor groups at Piedmont. The commitment for EMB-175 aircraft herein is contingent upon reaching acceptable agreements with the AFA-represented Flight Attendants and the IBT-represented Mechanics and related employee groups.
Please don't tell me you're expecting the company to give other employee groups raises.

Concessions by other employees. They got sold down the river too.

PilotJ3 12-08-2014 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1778552)
Where do you work?

I believe he's at PSA. They need ha to "hold the line", so they can keep hiring.

billyho 12-08-2014 05:51 AM

I'm waiting for all the Republic Pilots to start Parachuting in on all this. After blasting Piedmont Pilots this should be damn interesting.


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