Funny how the loud mouthed Mason32, I mean Cujo, is now selling this TA like his life depended on it. It's almost the same as the original TA that he was screaming to stay strong and give the middle finger to corporate greed. Now "the landscape has changed" (an easy way for envoy guys to be able to blame PSA, like you're seeing in this theead) and this is the best deal envoy can get.

Envoy will always be stagnate and this will do nothing to solve upgrade times or longevity.

Keep in mind, if we'd have voted yes (to this same deal) over a year ago, we'd be preparing to take delivery of the first 175s in Miami in a couple months. Now we're getting the leftovers after people have a solid 11 months to find better employment. Envoy will be roughly the same aize as PSA by the end of next year

From my small prospective, this TA will pass. I have spoken with a lot of guys who voted no last time. I'd say about 80% of those guys are yes votes now.

Well I'm sure all those guys like Diva, JT8, V1Rot8 and many others that blasted Piedmont will all the sudden get really quiet.

Good Luck to the rest of Envoy folks.

12,500 is plenty of dough to offset that first yr pay at AA.

Good Luck.

I'm just curious, is there anything in this deal that makes Envoy an attractive place for new hires? The new airplanes are just fleet replacement right? Envoy is still going to shrink to less than 1000 pilots right?

"PSA would have been shut down if we voted no."

"Piedmont would have been shut down if we voted no."

"Envoy will be shut down if they vote no."

Envoy already voted a few times NO and didn't get shut down.:rolleyes:

You forgot one.

" pinnacle will be shut down if they vote no"

Whew! Wow! I'm pretty impressed with you eagle (envoy) guys!
You held the line, company said they didn't need you but now they are back!
They are back because you have power!

Billy, all the guys I speak with have no ill will toward PDT. We knew ya'll were in a tough spot. It's the PSA guys who started this downward spiral.