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-   -   Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/85603-envoy-eagle-get-40-e-175s-w-90-options.html)

Swedish Blender 12-30-2014 08:26 AM
Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1792843)
And as these upgrades go down watch for record numbers of ASAP, NASA reports and FAA Violations to go through the roof. Let's just hope once we get to the 2 year captain with the fresh FO we don't start losing planes and lives.:eek:

Go around is not an option.
Don't know about the quality of pilots these days, but in the mid to late 90s, COEX had 6 month captain upgrades.

Cujo665 12-30-2014 09:25 AM
Originally Posted by diva (Post 1792663)
From my understanding every equipment has 1yr seat lock unless you get displaced out of it (by airplane being parked/transferred etc). So if you get hired into the e-145 you will eventually be displaced out of it my guess is around a year. Same goes for the CRJ as the 175's starts rolling inn at a rate of 2+ a month. Which at that point you'll be getting the E-175. If I was you I would pick the CRJ-700 then the E-175. I believe you'll end up in the 175 faster by being on the CRJ vs the 145. Just my thought.
They pay the same.

QOL is on the larger fleet type.

billyho 12-30-2014 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by Da40Pilot (Post 1792853)
Valid argument, but remember that they won't put you on the left seat unless you pass upgrade training...so I think you may see an increase in washouts and "failure to qualify" before anything else...
I agree. You'll see failures increase but there's passing a checkride and then there experience. Experience come with time.

billyho 12-30-2014 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1792872)
Don't know about the quality of pilots these days, but in the mid to late 90s, COEX had 6 month captain upgrades.
Yes and I know someone that was part of that in a 1900D. My buddy at United now still says that was the scariest part of his whole career. He said no way should he have been sitting in Cleveland in the snow after 6 months and being a Captain. hahahahah

Concorde001 12-30-2014 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by diva (Post 1792663)
From my understanding every equipment has 1yr seat lock unless you get displaced out of it (by airplane being parked/transferred etc). So if you get hired into the e-145 you will eventually be displaced out of it my guess is around a year. Same goes for the CRJ as the 175's starts rolling inn at a rate of 2+ a month. Which at that point you'll be getting the E-175. If I was you I would pick the CRJ-700 then the E-175. I believe you'll end up in the 175 faster by being on the CRJ vs the 145. Just my thought.
So you think a new hire could still pick the CRJ?

Swedish Blender 12-30-2014 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1792943)
Yes and I know someone that was part of that in a 1900D. My buddy at United now still says that was the scariest part of his whole career. He said no way should he have been sitting in Cleveland in the snow after 6 months and being a Captain. hahahahah
Same thing my old roommate said. First winter in CLE was as a 1900 captain.

diva 12-30-2014 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Concorde001 (Post 1792971)
So you think a new hire could still pick the CRJ?
Definitely. We're still having new hires getting on the CRJ. A good chunk have been coming on it for the past few months. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions. Good Luck.

inky13 12-30-2014 05:09 PM
After this latest displacement with MIA closing, the most junior First Officer on the CRJ will be a May 2014 hire (ORD Based).

squawkoff 12-30-2014 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by inky13 (Post 1793139)
After this latest displacement with MIA closing, the most junior First Officer on the CRJ will be a May 2014 hire (ORD Based).
And he or she will be on the bottom for a looonnnggg time or until the CRJs go to PSA.

diva 01-01-2015 08:28 AM
Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 1793186)
And he or she will be on the bottom for a looonnnggg time or until the CRJs go to PSA.
You're wrong! Had we voted NO your statement would be true. Now that the Envoy pilots voted YES with brand new E-175's rolling inn every month and flow through to AA we will be moving up at a pretty good rate. At this point Envoy has the industry leading flow through. Majors don't put as much weight on upgrades as much as they use to before. We've had plenty of Envoy First Officers going directly to United, Delta, even American etc. You CAN and SHOULD always have your apps out with all the majors including American even with our flow to AA. I'm sorry your airline have no new planes coming nor flow through. However wish you and your pilot group the best. Good luck to all new hires out there with their regional selection. Think smart. Upgrades are no longer needed to get with majors. Choose whoever has the best flow then have your apps out while you wait. Good luck guys/gals!


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