I was just curious as you were asking pilots to contact you via Private Message.

Unless Envoy can stem their pilot bleeding, I fail to see how it will be a survivor. AA won't have to worry about street hiring or flows for awhile starting this Spring. Actually, what is likely here is that AA furloughees will fill our classes for at least a year starting this Spring and the US Airways side will hire off the street with a few flows there. If 100 824's make it through the gate between now and Spring, how many are left when the flow might restart in say the Summer of 2016 ?

Envoys back could easily be broken by then as more and more leave for other jobs, a trickle come in and the line to AA is no shorter then it is now. Hey, good luck. I just think a lot of things have to happen for Envoy for it to avoid serious trouble.

As much as I despise AAG's tactics, the die is now cast and time will tell. Your scenario is plausible but I hope you are wrong. Once Parker is finished with you, we'll see soon enough what happens to ENVOY.

this will not happen any time soon

It could happen in the very near future. The number of pilots willing to work at the regionals is shrinking at a pretty fast rate. The majors need to do something to attract pilots to fly the airplanes that feed them. The options for incentives are fairly limited. They have tried bonuses, but they have not really been successful. One of the things that will attract people to fly for their regionals would be the ability to advance to mainline.

Preferential hiring costs the mainline company NOTHING!!! They can still pay garbage wages at the regionals and people will line up to fly there. Heck, they could even pay less and people would do it.

Think about it this way, AAG wants to make sure that their regionals are staffed. How can they do it? What incentives can they offer? Lets say that you want to fly at American. If the only way that you could get to American would be to fly for Envoy or PSA, you would apply at Envoy or PSA. Period. If you had an AA seniority number, you wouldn't care what they paid you for the first couple of years, the schedule/benefits, etc... Your goal would be to work 5 years at the regional and then bid on that wide body slot when it opened.

with separating mil guys the majors will never give up the ability to hire them OTS.

Historically, your point is valid.

There are MANY military guys at the regionals waiting for calls. In the last 6 classes at my company, we have had more than 35 military pilots. Everything from F-18's to C-5's to Harriers to Helicopter guys. They all had one thing in common - plenty of military experience and applications at all of the majors, but no calls from those majors. It seems that the current hiring people at the majors are looking for some 121 time - at least that is what the hiring departments have been telling the military guys.

Delta is probably the biggest exception, and we all know of a guy that knows a guy that got hired, but it appears to be changing in the last 6 months for some reason. And in the 80% part of ickt86's plan, it would leave a backdoor for military and others in.

The 80% number had a purpose. And you hit the nail on the head.

right, i'm not saying they wont clamp down on it but they will never allow the ONLY way to a major be via a regional.

touche...i skipped over that part in my reading apparently.

Beat me to it! Veterans make up a good chunk of the mainline pilot group, and they are not going to leave their brothers out in the cold on this. They are most definitely not a bunch of throat cutting Kool-aid drinkers.