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mr25cents 12-23-2014 10:56 AM

...and on the very same day Envoy agrees to a concessionary contract, Parker gives everyone else pay raises! That's a true story.

"American Airlines Inc. employees will get 4 percent across-the-board pay raises, including unionized employees if their union has a joint contract covering both American and US Airways employees.

At the same time, American announced that it is sending its pilot contract to binding arbitration after more than a month of negotiations with the Allied Pilots Association.

Included in the group getting the 4 percent raise are American’s flight attendants, who will get that increase on top of the higher wages included in a joint contract finalized last week."


Terry Maxon | Dallas Morning News

gojo 12-23-2014 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1789123)
Enseavor was the first to accept the 12/4 pay caps followed then by PSA and Envoy. The precedent had already been set.

Careful how you use the word "accept". Pinnacle/Endeavor had little choice in the matter since it was done in bankruptcy. Now PSA and Eagle/Envoy did accept it

PilotJ3 12-23-2014 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by astec (Post 1788933)
But it's ok.. Their hands were tied they had to this or they would be shut down right?

The glass slipper has many owners apparently

Are you butt hurt? You where part of envoy and left to PSA. It's great to see every PSA pilot here bashing. :)

PilotJ3 12-23-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1789137)
Careful how you use the word "accept". Pinnacle/Endeavor had little choice in the matter since it was done in bankruptcy. Now PSA and Eagle/Envoy did accept it

We tried to stad for the industry...PSA voted after or MEC rejected the original
Proposal. Then PDT didn't sign the no whipsaw deal and they voted yes after the pilot group voted yes. TSA and Compass salivating over our 145s and the 40 last 175.

Now we voted in the deal trying to preserve as much as we have standing for ourselves and forgetting about the industry.

Karma 12-23-2014 11:06 AM

Why does everybody from the outside assume it's concessionary before even seeing the TA? Can somebody post up the pay scale and work rules voted in?

ShyGuy 12-23-2014 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1789143)
We tried to stad for the industry...PSA voted after or MEC rejected the original
Proposal. Then PDT didn't sign the no whipsaw deal and they voted yes after the pilot group voted yes. TSA and Compass salivating over our 145s and the 40 last 175.

Now we voted in the deal trying to preserve as much as we have standing for ourselves and forgetting about the industry.

I know. I don't blame Envoy for this. Everyone screams unity, but in the end, they'll stab you in the back without thinking twice. Anything to get that TPIC and quick interview at a legacy. You guys drew the line and said no. PSA stabbed you in the back. TSA salivated over Eagle flying. At some point you gotta say enough and draw your own line when others have backstabbed you.

Slick111 12-23-2014 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 1789116)
.......... You couldn't expect them (Envoy) to fall on the sword all the way to the unemployment line once it became evident others were more than happy to take their flying and their efforts were for naught.

But it would have been acceptable for PSA and PDT to fall on THEIR sword, right,.......all the way to the unemployment line. Did I get that right?

This is ALPA National's fault. There is/was no unity. Especially when there's a $12,500 bribe waitin' for ya.

astec 12-23-2014 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1789138)
Are you butt hurt? You where part of envoy and left to PSA. It's great to see every PSA pilot here bashing. :)

No hurting butt here. Do you know my story? I'd love to tell you about it sometime. I only post to prod at the small minds here.

billyho 12-23-2014 11:19 AM

Why blame PSA? Remember they turned down Parker once also. Remember Parker came to them offering shiny 900's for there blended rate. They told Parker to shove it. Parker just got on the phone with Mesa and they took them 900's without a fight. Is that PSA's fault? Mesa sure didn't stand up at the time for PSA or the industry.
Then when it came time to be offered another round of 900's PSA knew if they voted it down then they'd go to someone else. Now Envoy is in the same boat knowing if you had turned it down the 175's had just gone to another carrier!!
So you are no better then PSA or PDT. Continue to blame PSA just makes you look even more sad then voting the worse of the TA's in.

I think you owe PSA an apology for all the mouthing off at them. You voted "yes" now just walk away with your tail between your legs and enjoy the flow and the shiny 175's. It will all be forgotten soon! Well except by the contract carriers like AirWisconsin, Republic, and few other carriers.

RoughLandings 12-23-2014 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1789143)
We tried to stad for the industry...PSA voted after or MEC rejected the original
Proposal. Then PDT didn't sign the no whipsaw deal and they voted yes after the pilot group voted yes. TSA and Compass salivating over our 145s and the 40 last 175.

Now we voted in the deal trying to preserve as much as we have standing for ourselves and forgetting about the industry.

Compass pilots were most assuredly NOT salivating over the last 40 175s. We got gains in nearly every aspect of our newest contract - modest, yes, but we hardly conceded anything. Nobody here wanted the 20 that are on the way either.


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