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-   -   Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/85603-envoy-eagle-get-40-e-175s-w-90-options.html)

Counselor 12-23-2014 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by A320Flyer (Post 1789365)
I'd say us and all others that walked the line deserve a small star, a recognition, on top of the regular ALPA pin. Ask the second question to the regional pilots. Spirit pilots did their part.
A320Flyer - is your avatar an Israeli AF squadron patch? Were you IDF before Spirit?

Al Czervik 12-23-2014 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by diva (Post 1789350)
All FO's on property top out at $42.07/hr and all CA's on property top out at $104.78 then once you flow to AA you start at $80/hr first year pay and $97.57 3rd year pay (they just got 4% pay increase across the board).
Are you saying there are different pay scales for flows coming to AA then the what we have in place?

IBPilot 12-23-2014 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by A320Flyer (Post 1789365)
I'd say us and all others that walked the line deserve a small star, a recognition, on top of the regular ALPA pin. Ask the second question to the regional pilots. Spirit pilots did their part.
one small factor is that the Feds LET you strike. They didn't let Pinnacle and a few others who would have jumped at the chance to strike.

CarolinaAngler 12-23-2014 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by A320Flyer (Post 1789365)
I'd say us and all others that walked the line deserve a small star, a recognition, on top of the regular ALPA pin. Ask the second question to the regional pilots. Spirit pilots did their part.
I won't disagree with you because I have never been in your position, but I would think you had a bit more leverage when you walked. To hold your accomplishment over Eagle's head is a little wrong. Did the Spirit MEC extend anything to Eagle's? Again, I may not be as versed in history as you, but Eagle didn't have near as much leverage. I don't think AAG was too concerned with the vote outcome as your managers were to striking a deal.

RJ Pilot 12-23-2014 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by A320Flyer (Post 1789365)
I'd say us and all others that walked the line deserve a small star, a recognition, on top of the regular ALPA pin. Ask the second question to the regional pilots. Spirit pilots did their part.
I can tell you what to do with that magic Alpa pin.....

Alpa is the reason why eny pilots voted the way they did.

Good Luck.

PCLCREW 12-23-2014 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler (Post 1789327)
They really give out "battle star" pins? Is that where my dues money is going?
I'd say us and all others that walked the line deserve a small star, a recognition, on top of the regular ALPA pin. Ask the second question to the regional pilots. Spirit pilots did their part.
Spirit pilots did their part because they were allowed to do their part. Plenty of other airlines would have done their part if they were allowed to.
When was the last time a regional airline was released to strike? Comair I believe and that was quite a while ago.

sandrich 12-23-2014 06:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/kGTA3xF.jpg

IDG99 12-23-2014 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1789149)
I know. I don't blame Envoy for this. Everyone screams unity, but in the end, they'll stab you in the back without thinking twice. Anything to get that TPIC and quick interview at a legacy. You guys drew the line and said no. PSA stabbed you in the back. TSA salivated over Eagle flying. At some point you gotta say enough and draw your own line when others have backstabbed you.
Sometimes, you have got to know when to stop digging the hole. Envoy pilots saw what was happening with everyone chasing the quick upgrade while stepping on their backs. Just take a stroll through the threads for Compass and PSA and you will get a feel for the so called regional unity. The Envoy pilots have nothing to be ashamed of. Envoy pilots did the right thing.

inky13 12-23-2014 07:32 PM
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Attachment 1778

Here's the term sheet. In it, you'll find the pay rates in the back.

This is not a time to celebrate for Envoy pilots. My head hangs low in shame--feel free to deny me your jumpseat. The worst of it was at the ENY HDQ today where everyone was celebrating with cake ( decorated with an E175) and already an American Eagle E175 airplane model. To me, it was such a punch in the face when other employees came to the pilots to congratulate us and give us hugs and "thank yous". I just felt like I had came from a funeral. Legacy Eagle is dead. The new Envoy is here.

djrogs03 12-23-2014 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by inky13 (Post 1789576)
Attachment 1778

Here's the term sheet. In it, you'll find the pay rates in the back.

This is not a time to celebrate for Envoy pilots. My head hangs low in shame--feel free to deny me your jumpseat. The worst of it was at the ENY HDQ today where everyone was celebrating with cake ( decorated with an E175) and already an American Eagle E175 airplane model. To me, it was such a punch in the face when other employees came to the pilots to congratulate us and give us hugs and "thank yous". I just felt like I had came from a funeral. Legacy Eagle is dead. The new Envoy is here.
If I'm reading this TA right, what's stoping AAG from making a separate order for more E-Jets and giving them to another regional carrier. The options only apply to the current agreement from 2013 between AAG and Embraer...I see many loopholes here


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