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fisherman 12-25-2014 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 1790349)
How soon will Envoy start training for the 175? I assume that you will hire into the 145 until you get the initial cadre of current pilots trained and then new hires will go straight into the 175. If you get some new folks come to Envoy with a bad case of new SJS thinking they are going into the 175 aren't you worried that initially when the new hires arrive and they pick their base and equipment and they see their only choice is the 145 that they won't get up and walk out? Or do you still inform the new hires what bases and equipment is available prior to class? If they decide to take the class and bases/equipment offered and wait till they are displaced they will see new folks junior to them being hired off the street going straight to the 175. I don't know the answer to this dilemma (if it is) but just seems like something that needs to be considered and managed by your recruiting department. Just an observation.

I wouldn't worry about what plane you are initially hired into. The pay is equally as bad for all planes at Eagle. If you want to fly for a company, show up to class, get your seniority date as early as possible, and then transfer to the equipment you want when given the opportunity. At Eagle, our contract only allows FOs to transition to a different jet during upgrade or during displacement (shuffling planes/pilots/bases). Eagle likes to displace and retrain all the time, so there's a good chance you'll end up getting type rated on multiple planes as an FO if you go to Eagle.

RB211 12-25-2014 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1790408)
The funny part about all this was all the Envoy people bashing the Piedmont people when we voted our TA in. We knew what we were against and we knew the reality of our situation. Envoy APC members ragged us daily up to the day of our vote. We voted it in and they jumped on us about Mainline and them denying us jumpseats and that we were the bottom feeders. Piedmont had nothing to hide we knew it was going to pass not matter what PSA did. Didn't see any of us ragging you guys on your vote did you?? Look at our posts and my posts. We had nothing to hide and after all the crap you talked you took one of the worst TA's out of all 3 WO's. Come on man you could've said we will vote on the first offer and first offer only. But you took the scraps. hahahahahaha sorry but I thinks it great how all the crap talkers have come to be silenced.
For the rest of Envoy good luck with your 175's and flow. Because we at Piedmont are very happy with our deal. And no we don't even want your 145's.

The trash talking Envoy people needed a good back hand slap across the face

billyho 12-25-2014 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by RB211 (Post 1790453)
The trash talking Envoy people needed a good back hand slap across the face


Parker said, "I'm Rick James *****!"

squawkoff 12-25-2014 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1790354)
Come on man! Hell at Mainline when we get there we aren't told our base or equipment. If you get up and leave because you got the 145 instead of the 175?? Hahahahah that's some sad childish stuff there. You knew all there bases and equipment coming in didn't you? Anyone who walks out I'd laugh and say don't let the door hit you in the a$$ as you walk out. That's a blessing for Envoy because that shows what a douche bag of an employee they just watched walk out the door and they'll be much better off without them.

Kids these days!! Damn!! You want someone to hold your hand while you pee?

This was just a question. I was at Eagle and I was the senior person in the class because I'm over 50. I'm not a kid! I had my choice of any airplane and I chose the ATR. Why? QOL and I knew I would rise in seniority faster. Within the first year I was 5 from the top. Then BR came and ruined everything.

When I got offered a class I was told of what my choices were before I started in the event I wanted to defer. I took the first class offered because seniority is everything. I'm not sure how it works since I've been gone for over 2 years. Prior to that I worked ATC for 25 years and retired in 2008.

I've been peeing for over 56 years. I can even do it in the dark so, no, I don't you to hold my hand or my pecker.

I'm sorry if I insulted you with my lack of experience. I defer to oh great Billyho. Sounds like you go it all figured out. Consider me schooled! I await with eager anticipation your next pearls of wisdom to a young buck like myself! Oh please, please enlighten me and set me straight with all your years of experience.

Da40Pilot 12-25-2014 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 1790462)
This was just a question. I was at Eagle and I was the senior person in the class because I'm over 50. I'm not a kid! I had my choice of any airplane and I chose the ATR. Why? QOL and I knew I would rise in seniority faster. Within the first year I was 5 from the top. Then BR came and ruined everything.

When I got offered a class I was told of what my choices were before I started in the event I wanted to defer. I took the first class offered because seniority is everything. I'm not sure how it works since I've been gone for over 2 years. Prior to that I worked ATC for 25 years and retired in 2008.

I've been peeing for over 56 years. I can even do it in the dark so, no, I don't you to hold my hand or my pecker.

I'm sorry if I insulted you with my lack of experience. I defer to oh great Billyho. Sounds like you go it all figured out. Consider me schooled! I await with eager anticipation your next pearls of wisdom to a young buck like myself! Oh please, please enlighten me and set me straight with all your years of experience.

LOL. There should be a disclaimer to guys like you that post perfectly reasonable questions towards the board that reads something like:

"WARNING: Your questions on these forums may be met by bitterness, sarcasm, condescension and douchebaggery due to the current housing of the Top 1% of regional airline pilots who hate their life and their job and won't ever be happy, even though this career choice was theirs to begin with, being fully aware of the predicaments and consequences".

billyho 12-25-2014 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 1790462)
This was just a question. I was at Eagle and I was the senior person in the class because I'm over 50. I'm not a kid! I had my choice of any airplane and I chose the ATR. Why? QOL and I knew I would rise in seniority faster. Within the first year I was 5 from the top. Then BR came and ruined everything.

When I got offered a class I was told of what my choices were before I started in the event I wanted to defer. I took the first class offered because seniority is everything. I'm not sure how it works since I've been gone for over 2 years. Prior to that I worked ATC for 25 years and retired in 2008.

I've been peeing for over 56 years. I can even do it in the dark so, no, I don't you to hold my hand or my pecker.

I'm sorry if I insulted you with my lack of experience. I defer to oh great Billyho. Sounds like you go it all figured out. Consider me schooled! I await with eager anticipation your next pearls of wisdom to a young buck like myself! Oh please, please enlighten me and set me straight with all your years of experience.

Anytime old Grasshopper! Sorry if I've offended your spirits! Carrier on and good luck in your future endeavours with our lovely profession you have chosen. (Followed with a bow)

jetn67 12-25-2014 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1790423)
got that in writing some where

PSA Airlines | Regional Airline & US Airways Subsidiary

Page 2 has the fleet expansion

Cheers!

TrakTrak 12-25-2014 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 1790440)
It could take several years/decades to flow-through. By that time if won't be worth being at the bottom of the list with crappy schedules and reserve for the majority of your career at the new American.

What are you talking about? Reserve/schedules at American are waaaay better than it ever was at EGL.

nuball5 12-25-2014 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by TrakTrak (Post 1790511)
What are you talking about? Reserve/schedules at American are waaaay better than it ever was at EGL.

You totally missed my point by a long shot. You're better off trying to get hired at a Major without the flow and therefore get in the front of this hiring wave, then wait 10 years to use your flow-through rights. Where did I say that sitting reserve at Envoy is better than American?

TrakTrak 12-25-2014 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 1790517)
You totally missed my point by a long shot. You're better off trying to get hired at a Major without the flow and therefore get in the front of this hiring wave, then wait 10 years to use your flow-through rights. Where did I say that sitting reserve at Envoy is better than American?

If that was your point you should've said that because you would be correct.


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