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Originally Posted by Coneydog (Post 1827802)

When Brownstreak voted in concessions, they knew they were doing it at the expense of another pilot group. Eagle tried to hold the line, and PSA undercut them. Wasn't the first time PSA has done this to another pilot group. That's the difference.

Really? Please tell us about the other times when PSA did something "at the expense of another pilot group". Please!

Get this, junior. PSA voted no to concessions in exchange for additional/new shiny jets TWICE previously.

The first time they voted "no", those jets went to Mesa. The second time they voted "no", those jets went to Republic. The third time PSA pilots were offered new/additional aircraft it came with the caveat that if they voted "no" again,...... their little 49 airplane, 450 pilot operation would be shut down. Clearly they, (AND A.L.P.A.!!!) believed it!

Sound familiar? "Vote no and jets go to another carrier", (like, say.... COMPASS!). "Vote no again and jets go to another carrier", (like,..... REPUBLIC!). "Vote no a third time and we'll shrink you to non-existence"?

So again, PLEASE tell us when, (in your mind), PSA pilots took advantage of a situation,......"at the expense of another pilot group". PLEASE!

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Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1828006)

No matter what happens you guys always start some sort of rumor that "things will get better". The writing is on the wall, it's not getting any better. For your sake quit deluding yourself and get out of there.

Signing the TA should have changed the landscape somewhat, for better or worse.
What is your forecast?

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Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 1827814)

oh look another thread that goes to talking about PSA

Yeah,.... and look who started it,...... again.

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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 1827815)

I guess PSA guys throwing stones believed the threats and promises. I never believe either.

And of course, you're conveniently turning a blind eye to the fact that Envoy MEC, ALPA, and PILOTS!! (finally) "believe the threats and promises",....... and voted "yes".

Slick -I think he was referencing the time you screwed over PDT in the jet issue

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Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1827835)

Uhhh just because he said brownstreak doesn't mean he was taking a shot at the PSA pilots.

Rrrrrriiiiiiiggghht!

Because "brownstreak" could be a term of endearment referencing *ANY* pilot group. For example, "brownstreak" could easily be used to reference Delta, JetBrown, or UPS? Emmaright?

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 1828020)

Slick -I think he was referencing the time you screwed over PDT in the jet issue

and alg too

More bad news, we finally got a little hope then this. Any word on what carrier is going to get the planes? PDT?

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1827879)

Looks like the company and ALPA are back on the table. Flow and "career to AA" did not brough applicants and NH as they thought.

Smells like some QOL might get better eventually.

Good. It is ironic that they wanted all of the wholly owned carriers on the 12/4 scale to match Endeavor's cost and now Endeavor got a $20k raise over the next four years. "The world has changed and like it or not we need to be competitive with Delta." Sound familiar?

How many new hires has Envoy had over the past couple of months?

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Originally Posted by PilotLife4me (Post 1828048)

More bad news, we finally got a little hope then this. Any word on what carrier is going to get the planes? PDT?

rumor mill says up to around 80 whistling **** cans of death might be on property eventually