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Old 02-19-2015 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Looks like the company and ALPA are back on the table. Flow and "career to AA" did not brough applicants and NH as they thought.

Smells like some QOL might get better eventually.
This will be your 4th time at the bargaining table in what 2 years? Don't f*ck this up!!!! Whatever happens it's all on you guys now, nobody to blame if it goes badly-nobody to thank if it goes well.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 04:07 PM
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For the umpteenth time, Envoy didn't vote yes on the expectation of getting anyone else's airplanes or expecting fellow employee groups to take concessions. That should be the crux of the argument.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
For the umpteenth time, Envoy didn't vote yes on the expectation of getting anyone else's airplanes or expecting fellow employee groups to take concessions. That should be the crux of the argument.
PSA didn't know that they were getting the 700's from Envoy... Is this what you are referring to?
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Old 02-19-2015 | 04:43 PM
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PSA didn't know that they were getting the 700's from Envoy... Is this what you are referring to?
And it isn't like daddy Doug was going to put the 900's at Envoy either. They would of just gone to Mesa more than likely.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wareagle
You PSA guys didn't vote to save your jobs, you voted to take airplanes from Eagle and hasten your upgrades because it was a good career opportunity. It's as simple as that. Eagle had freshly rejected the company when you guys volunteered for the concessions. To deny this is a lie.
The contract accepted was for 30 900s with 40 options.. 24 of which have been exercised. I do not believe the pilot group was aware the 700s would be transferred when voting occurred. Although, Mr. Parka might have known something different.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
Yeah, it's pretty crappy to have fast movement and have a better QOL rather being at another carrier making crap money for 5-8 years. Why are FO's bailing other regionals to come to PSA? Can you explain that?


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Which you got at the expense of another pilot group by KNOWINGLY stabbing them in the back
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Old 02-19-2015 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
Which you got at the expense of another pilot group by KNOWINGLY stabbing them in the back
Minor details when you're an undercutting sc@b. Let them think that nobody else cares or knows what they did to the industry. The new hires going there are just as guilty.

Then again, this is the age of not accepting responsibility for ones actions. I can't count how many times I've heard "well its not like I voted, I just came for the quick upgrade!" It's amazing how people are able to justify their actions when they know deep down they're wrong.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
Which you got at the expense of another pilot group by KNOWINGLY stabbing them in the back
Kind of funny if you're an Envoy pilot who took the bribe money and threw the new hires under the bus with the 4th year cap while you don't have to be capped. That's called KNOWINGLY. PSA pilots reluctantly for the third time finally caved after years of standing firm without any support from the so called brothers and sisters of the regionals. Otherwise we will be shut down in few years, as proven by how easily Envoy's 700s are being transferred.

Most, if not all the pilots doubted a single 900 would come on property. Or maybe just ONE so they can exercise their 12/4 cap. I kept hearing "I won't believe it unless I'm sitting in it with revenue passengers. But at least we will be around for the next 5-10 years." You're delusional and have no business commanding even a RC C-172 if you think PSA pilots had any idea that Envoy will lose their 700s to us. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 05:44 PM
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They may not have known the 700s were coming but when they were announced, psa was awful.gleeful about it.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
They may not have known the 700s were coming but when they were announced, psa was awful.gleeful about it.
That's the way it is everywhere. When skywest, ASA/ExpressJet, GoJet, started receiving the Comar birds there was a lot of selfish celebrating with little regard to the newly unemployed Comair pilots. Air Wisconsin were the same way when they though they were going to receive a bunch of Endeavor birds and help Delta with their regional whipsaw. Heck, how may tail numbers does Skywest/ASA operate that came from different airlines. Regional pilots are self serving
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