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buddies8 06-19-2015 05:00 PM

AAG don't care about the flights or customers. Just do it cheaper than the other guy. Parker and company only care if wall street is happy. When wall street gets upset then the employees should watch out because it's never parkers fault.

PilotJ3 06-19-2015 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1910179)
I talk to MIA commuters and experience MIA ops and Republic isn't any worse then Envoy was reliability-wise. No comment on Mesa in DFW, but remember they're not big for AA there. The eventual demise of Mesa for AA isn't a bombshell that will change Envoy's major conundrums and that's commitment from AAG and demonstration that commitment will draw the flies to their honey.

MIA AA OPS or MIA AE Ops?? Two different operations and not related at all.

Skyvector 06-19-2015 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by TurbineTime (Post 1910160)
I'd love to know where you're MIA info is coming from. Just because you tell yourself something over and over doesn't make it true. RAH ops in MIA are expanding, not the other way. Our over water exemption is set to be finalized next month, so more routes will be starting out MIA. No hate on any envoy guys, but I don't see a RAH pull out of MIA anytime soon.

It's coming from the company. It's no secret Republic is having staffing issues among other problems. It seems it has begun to affect their MIA flying. I haven't been based in MIA for almost a year but from everyone I speak to it's an issue. I have heard similar things from our DFW CPO. At Envoy we are also doing more and more MIA flying...more than I have seen in a while. Many of our July lines are a deadhead sandwich to MIA....Deadhead on AA at the beginning and end of the trip.

Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.

Eject 06-19-2015 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1910250)
It's coming from the company. It's no secret Republic is having staffing issues among other problems. It seems it has begun to affect their MIA flying. I haven't been based in MIA for almost a year but from everyone I speak to it's an issue. I have heard similar things from our DFW CPO. At Envoy we are also doing more and more MIA flying...more than I have seen in a while. Many of our July lines are a deadhead sandwich to MIA....Deadhead on AA at the beginning and end of the trip.

Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.

I have three friends that left for both mesa and republic over the last year. They had all been at envoy for less than 2 years. They all had the same story...envoy won't be here in a year from now and I will upgrade in a year at Mesa and I can fly a nice new 175 at republic. They all missed their bonuses in January and they all still hate where they are now just like they did before at envoy. Ironically, all three are seriously considering reapplying at envoy and wish they never would have left. I wish them the best!

TurbineTime 06-19-2015 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1910250)
It's coming from the company. It's no secret Republic is having staffing issues among other problems. It seems it has begun to affect their MIA flying. I haven't been based in MIA for almost a year but from everyone I speak to it's an issue. I have heard similar things from our DFW CPO. At Envoy we are also doing more and more MIA flying...more than I have seen in a while. Many of our July lines are a deadhead sandwich to MIA....Deadhead on AA at the beginning and end of the trip.

Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.

Republic's issues are well known, and staffing has been a hot topic here for quite some time. However, the MIA operation is in pretty good shape, the majority of the cancelations were and continue to be on the S5 side of the house and had little to do with the AE flying. RAH also preemptively scaled back operations to mitigate staffing which could account for the slight uptick in envoy operations out of MIA. The continued expansion of RAH routes out of MIA just doesn't signal disapproval from the top, at least not to me...

Bzzt 06-19-2015 06:54 PM

The moral to this thread is just block everyone with a dissenting view. Soon Cujo, N92 whatever, etc. Will just be able to serenade each other with nothing but milk and honey and great news for eagle.

If you can't see bad news it doesn't exist right?

Skyvector 06-19-2015 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1910323)
The moral to this thread is just block everyone with a dissenting view. Soon Cujo, N92 whatever, etc. Will just be able to serenade each other with nothing but milk and honey and great news for eagle.

If you can't see bad news it doesn't exist right?

eaglefly doesn't provide "dissenting" views. If you are unable to distinguish that from what he does than you are dumber than I ever thought.

If you would like you are free to hijack as many threads as you want and cry about how much you hated flying airplanes, made the wrong career choice, and go on a rant about how horrible life was with the airlines. Then you can tell us how great it is to work for mom & dad at your non-aviation job that allows you to surf the internet all day while drinking diet pepsi.

Bzzt 06-19-2015 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1910348)
eaglefly doesn't provide "dissenting" views. If you are unable to distinguish that from what he does than you are dumber than I ever thought.

If you would like you are free to hijack as many threads as you want and cry about how much you hated flying airplanes, made the wrong career choice, and go on a rant about how horrible life was with the airlines. Then you can tell us how great it is to work for mom & dad at your non-aviation job that allows you to surf the internet all day while drinking diet pepsi.

I am very happy with my life and I do enjoy Diet Pepsi. My advice to you is find a better job, don't try to survive on hopes and dreams that will never come true at Eagle.

Eaglefly posts his perspective as do you, Cujo, etc. Only time will tell who was right but it's fairly obvious Cujo has an agenda. If Cujo doesn't flow he doesn't get hired anywhere. No major is going to hire an obese late 40s trouble maker so it's in his best interest to sell eagle as hard as he can until he flows to AA, after that...Good luck!

Skyvector 06-19-2015 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1910376)
My advice to you is

Stop right there....just stop. Nobody on this forum needs advice from a person who became a pilot despite the fact that he hates to fly...then proceeded to demonstrate the emotional maturity of a 12 year old girl...crying at every opportunity about how horrible his life was and unsure what step to take next.

Most of us are grown men and know exactly what we want in life and how to achieve our goals. The last thing we need is "advice" from someone who is as unsure of himself and his life as you are.

Xtreme87 06-19-2015 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1910234)
AAG don't care about the flights or customers. Just do it cheaper than the other guy. Parker and company only care if wall street is happy. When wall street gets upset then the employees should watch out because it's never parkers fault.

Welcome to the dark side of capitalism. The whole country is for profit, including education and health care. Profits and bonuses over quality.


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