I'm sorry you feel that way. I've never been more sure in my life about anything as I am of my decision to leave aviation. I hope your airline career works out for you, although for most stuck in the regional quagmire it won't. I don't think you'll achieve your goals though hiding from unpleasant realities and refusing to listen to opposing viewpoints.

So does Eaglefly. He wants Envoy to fail and get no new hires now that he is finally at AA. It benefits him for all the regionals to fail now that he got out, plus he is still seriously butthurt over his long regional stint and it taking so long for him to flow. Ever heard of pulling up the ladder behind you.

Im sure he wasn't a "scope salesman" yet when his livlihood still depended on it at Eagle.

I've heard of that, but that's not what that means. Envoy failing or all regionals failing (highly unlikely) is not pulling up the ladder behind you.

No, what I am talking about is EXACTLY what it means. "I got mine, I'm safe now so F everyone else below me at my old company".

Nobody but Regional lifers want the regionals to continue to erode mainline. That's not the point.

What's what is he supposed to do? Wish Envoy to get bigger? Wish for growth at other regionals? The only way for the ladder to NOT get pulled up at mainline in the current pilot environment is for regionals to shirk. For some, it'll mean insolvency. That's capitalism baby.

Envoy to get 100% flow to AA? More like 0% for June. How is that possible you didn't get any June spots but PSA and PDT both sent flows over?

NicE try...but let's get a couple of things straight.

Piedmont flowed 3. PSA has NO flow. They have 5 interviews which means 2 didn't make it since only 3 are going for July.Things are even worse than originally thought.


In regards to Envoy, there were never going to be flows in July. This was determined months ago. These 6 are strictly to the U.S. Air side. The AA side took the deferrals for July.

No big conspiracy and nothing we didn't already know. Except you just highlighted for all to see how pathetic PSA's "flow" is. They only get 5 interviews per month which is a 25 year wait for any new hire..and now that's even worse seeing as how not all 5 even pass the interview.

I'm siding with Dunkin on this one: Between PSA and PDT, there were 6 new hires. Our language says 50% of new hire classes. We should have flowed 6 minimum this month and we flowed ZERO. The company told us not too long ago to expect 5 flow for this month. We were lied to and as usual, the flow is not working as designed.

No arguments with you there...the company lies. As every airline lies...it's not unique to AA/US Airways.

Here is the thing, and it's a bit of bollocks: Those 6 from PSA/PDT went to the US Air side. Until the two seniority lists are 100% integrated our flow language only applies to the AA side. Don't mistake that with the ability to be assigned to the US Air side once already on property. After you FLOW and are already an AA pilot you can at that point potentially go to the E190 in PHL for example. But before any of that...as far as strictly the FLOW is concerned our language only applies to the AA side.

So moving forward, it was made VERY clear earlier this year that for any month AA took deferrals they would not take any Envoy flows. We love to think that a training department is capable of taking an unlimited number of new-hires per month but that isn't the case. There are only so many resources to go around....equipment, classroom space, and instructors. The AA training department is over-taxed as it is with all the new-hires, upgrades, new equipment transfers, not to mention the current issues with the 787.

So it was determined, again long ago, that for any month there were deferrals they would not take any flows for that month. We were told earlier this year this would be in either June or July. The deferrals are only for the AA side, not the US Air side which is why they were still able to take the 3 from PDT and 3 from PSA.

Our flow will resume as normal after July. Also, all the deferrals only have until next year to make their decisions...March or May I believe. I can't remember but it's one of those two. After that they lose their AA seniority forever and it's over.

As I said before...this isn't any big conspiracy and we were told months ago how this would play out. I just wish the Sam or Ray or somebody would nip this one in the bud before it festers any further. I know people like Spanier and Flynn would just add fuel to the fire and spin this thing even further out of control...so I'm not expecting anything out of those two.

PSA is 4 a month. With one guy turning it down last minute again. Still get 3, but don't mislead with how it happened. Same story as usual on why we didn't send the full number.