* Another note to this threads participants and please don't quote it so as to avoid inflicting further agony on members already in the throes of self-imposed emotional distress :

This is an important post to understand. Clearly, the majority of members here are interested in multiple points-of-view, even if they disagree with them and on this subject include those both not at Envoy and some that are. This is a sign of maturity in engaging in discourse. Others though, exhibit two traits that say more negatively about them, then it does about me. First, if one reads my posts, they are simply opinions and discussion/debate regarding a SUBJECT, unlike, the less mature members who personally attack the member instead of debate his message when they disagree with it. The second and more disturbing trait, is the demand and/or expectation that others not just disagree with them, but actually have the right to CONTROL them so that others will not hear from those they disagree with. It's the desire to silence dissent.

This trait is commonly seen among the governments of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and Iran among others. Unfortunately, the post above highlights that while we live in a free society and a democracy, there are always those who believe the only opinion that should be heard by others is one that they agree with and that in reality, they believe those two concepts only apply to their points-of-view. For those unaware, there is a segment of pilots at Envoy who subscribe to this very philosophy, but that does not encompass the majority there. Many pilots there are just as critical as me and question the claims and efforts made by a small, but vocal minority to skew and spin the situation in the hope it will benefit them. All one has to do to avoid my comments, is simply not read them.

Don't forget RJ Pilot and Firstclass

**Standing Ovation!**

You must be (insert perceived insult to discredit the opinion). True ignorance is limiting yourself to information and opinions that only align with your own.

I think pilots and newbies are smart enough to take the information in and decide for themselves what may or may not be true.

That's not true. One of my friends had an argument with a Captain once who didn't "believe in" windchill because TAT goes up as wind speed increases.

Done. It's not worth the time arguing with a moron that doesn't even work here anymore. He has serious mental problems and some sort of compulsive incessant posting disorder.

So nice how he has been banned or finally gave up on Eaglelounge as well.

I just joined that club as well. He's on my ignore list now and this forum just improved ten fold.

I actually agree with this. The majority of the unpleasantness here isn't rooted in my opinions or posts per se, but the hostile responses and personal attacks they generate from the "usual suspects" (the core vocal minority upset I'm openly questioning their sales pitches and motives). If they don't read my posts, it should eliminate the retaliatory attacks and hopefully, discussion can return to factual information and debate on the subject.

Where is the fun in blocking RJ Pilot. His useless post and unsuccessful baiting comments actually provide a certain predictable entertainment among the more serious trolling. Between his calling that one guy "joey", his failed attempt at claiming to be a lifer turned GV CA, and the now retired "Good Luck!" Youalways know what he is posting, even if blocked.

First Class just models his behavior of his hero. So they are one in the same.