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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1939438)

30 a month only happens if the monthly class is at least 60 new hires.

Example:

New hires = 40, we get 20
New hires = 50, we get 25
New hires = 80, we get 40 which may be withheld to 30

You need a class size of 60 new hires or more to get the 30.

Yes, I know.. This is why I said this company sucks. DAL and UAL hire 100-120/mo each. AA gets 40-50 in class/month and their whole rinky dink 2:1 training operation falls apart, training gets backed up and they have to skip a month of hiring to catch up. The flow will take FOREVER at this rate for junior CA's 700 #'s away, then there is basically no chance in hell we are still even in business by the time it gets to the FO's at this rate, with horrendous treatment, massive FO attrition + only lifers in the left seat.

Every additional month of only 20/mo or less past November adds another 2 weeks to our sentence here. The delays are significant and add up real quick.

If you are only 100 numbers away, not that big if a deal. 700 numbers away it adds a year, 1500 numbers away. It adds YEARS.

What is the DOH of eagle pilots getting a class at AA?

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1939651)

It says as he stated. 50% of new hires, but may be withheld down to 30 people (once the 175s start to show up, right now it is 20). They don't have to withhold, but what are the odds of that?

Gotcha. Thanks

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Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1939682)

What is the DOH of eagle pilots getting a class at AA?

Their company DOH started the day they stepped foot on AMR w/eagle. Occupational seniority is scheduled class completion date at AA.

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Originally Posted by use2fly (Post 1939722)

So you are staying at Envoy, (a company that you hate) so you can flow to AA (a company that you think has a rinky dink training program that can't handle 40-50 new hires) because why? Just curious.

I think AA is an awful airline with a horrible corporate culture. If friends and family ask for my opinion I always advise them to buy a ticket on other airlines (JetBlue, Spirit, a foreign airline, etc.) because I know that they will enjoy their travel experience much more that way.

However, they also pay quite a bit more then other jobs out there. So as for me, as much as I despise the manner in which AAG is run, I'm sticking around. Money talks.

Latest seniority to go to AA in the July class was hired at Eagle in March '99. By the end of year 2015 we are scheduled to be at September '99 hires flowing. End of 2016 projected to be at March '04 seniority.

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Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1939757)

I think AA is an awful airline with a horrible corporate culture. If friends and family ask for my opinion I always advise them to buy a ticket on other airlines (JetBlue, Spirit, a foreign airline, etc.) because I know that they will enjoy their travel experience much more that way.

However, they also pay quite a bit more then other jobs out there. So as for me, as much as I despise the manner in which AAG is run, I'm sticking around. Money talks.

Have you ever ridden in the back of Spirit? They treat their employees fairly well, but not their passengers.

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1939771)

Have you ever ridden in the back of Spirit? They treat their employees fairly well, but not their passengers.

You're 100% right, my bad! I actually meant to write Virgin, I'm not sure why I wrote Spirit. I guess I was typing too fast.

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Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1939757)

Guess I deleted while you quoted. I know the answer, just tired of hearing people complain about how much AA sucks while at the same time complaining about how bad they got screwed because they have to wait another month to get there. And yes, I do believe they got screwed.

The LCC's are the Regionals from the 90's.

Good Luck!