Flow keeps getting longer and longer
 

Envoy stops flows to AA for rest of 2015.

From the desk of Alex Sidie:*

We have a pool of pilots from which to fill this year's classes. We will pull another list sometime prior to the end of the year for classes starting next year.

2.5 and 5.5 though!

To me that sounds like no more guys entering the pool not no more flows for the rest of the year. My opinion.

Not a week ago, that is exactly what they said. No additional pilots selected for the pool because they already have all the numbers to fill the rest of the year. The flows are not stopping, just no more selections until the pool of FT drains.

I suppose time will tell. I wager to bet that if he is wrong, Spreadeagle, will not retract his The National Enquirer style post.

Did they meet the required about of flows for the year?

AFAIK.

They've exceeded the minimum number of pilots required for the agreement, however they haven't flowed yet. So even if they stop selecting more pilots, they have met their requirements.

It also means that anybody close to flowing can push back their departure date by another 3 months.

Misleading. Flows are not stopping for the rest of the year.

There is a pool of pilots to fill THIS YEAR'S classes. The pool doesn't matter. Folks getting seats in the class is what matters.

This concept seems to confuse people. They could select the rest of the 824 today and put them in the pool, but it wouldn't matter until they set foot in class. Selection is selection. Class dates are class dates. Huge difference.

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Absolutely this. They can say they've selected or "flowed" X number of people. Until those butts are in AA indoc class seats the numbers are meaningless.

Not if they are issued seniority numbers. That might happen in the future with the flow.

"Might"

When it happens, that will be another discussion. Until then it's meaningless.

And the flow MIGHT just keep working as advertised until then talking about it is meaningless.:rolleyes:

When is the first October class? Any idea how many are in it?

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How many PSA-PDT pilots are getting hired on the AA side while the 824 guys are getting shafted on the US Air side?

What are you guys doing about it?

Good Luck!

Will never happen. APA learned their lesson with the Letter 3 flow throughs. Wait your turn, it will happen for you too.

In this biz one word I've learned not to say is 'never'.:D

When it comes to dealing with APA, unless there is a significant pay increase involved, never means never. I wish it was otherwise, I would have received my number a lot sooner.

Envoy is the place you want to be if your goal is to be at the Majors. Takes about 5 years. Word is applicants are fighting over a spot more for every day that goes by. Apparently the Chicago job fair turnout was much better than expected as well. Be ahead of the curve. Seniority is everything. Good luck !

Hit the nail on the head. Chicago job fair was wildly successful and just the tip of the iceberg. Big numbers you haven't heard in a while. They'll be out soon enough.

Expect the company to offer more of these beginning in the very near future. A proposal is currently in the works for FO's at other companies to keep their pay step if they leave their current company and hire on at Envoy. More to come.

Also, other really good news should be out next week. Just keeps getting better at Envoy.

Future is so bright, you got to wear shades ! :cool:

Why are you helping them? You preached pre-post TA that It was their problem to attract pilots.

Good Luck!

AA is way ahead of the other legacies as far as the regional pilot shortage with their flow and soon to be years of service offer for new hires. I wonder how Delta and United will react while AA has no staffing problems, and the others have to cancel flights due to the severe shortage.

Delta and United are hiring 100+ a month with tons of apps on file, while AA hires a measly 30 a month.

You do the math.

Good Luck!

As a old Metro Airlines(The Original Eagle) dude...Things are finally turning around at envoy..This is a good time to come to envoy..

east texas mafia, with affection.

I think United and delta will be just fine....


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Exactly!!!!!!

Where the he!! Are yall getting all of these hours being transferred to Envoy. Over the past four months our line # has dropped every month? Why are we hiring, we are already overstaffed?

Don't you know? They need the overage to staff seats left after all those pilots flow! (at 20 a month or less)

I don't know. We're overstaffed and I constantly drop airplanes off to sit for 12+ hours at a non-maintenance RON. Waste of an airframe. We can sure use those hours to get higher line values instead of 11 days off and only 65 hours flight time.

Delta and UA WILL be fine, but at the cost of running feed at mainline wages. AA will have cheaper regional lift they can capitalize on. I do suspect the shortage to reach a point where AA will bring the feed in house, but not before UA and Delta do. Wild-ass prediction is that Envoy and PDT merge within 5 years and eventually stapled. PSA will remain doing REAL regional flying like CLT to ROA in CRJ700's

Yea, you can certainly call that a "wild ass prediction".

According to the great Cuj, there will be earth shattering great news next week for ya'll.

Good Luck!

Either that or AA relax scope and Piedvoy gets the 190's from AA. You heard it hear first

If anything, you could expect the 190s at Envoy. From a well placed source. PSA will indeed continue to fly more as a "regional" while Envoy will transition more to a "national."

Ask the 2020 SCOPE SALES MAN what his thoughts on that are.

Actually not that far fetched. Our CBA has provisions for "code sharing" that could result in something like that occurring with the right methodology. AA pilots would go bat****, but not likely to stop it if Parker really wants it. Of course, it would be akin to declaring war on AA pilots and AA would regress to hopeless acrimony again, but Parker may not care as his claim of "changing the culture" was just convenient B.S. to get his nose into the Centreport tentflap.

But once again be careful for what you wish for.

All such a scenario would mean is that AA would not only get no growth, but large segments of present domestic (all S80) and even some international would go to the new "Envoy" (or whatever the name) flying E-190's that could cover a lot of present AA flying (up to code share limits, of course). But, that would also mean the flow would come to a dead stop for years as Envoy (or whomever) ramped up and we shrink, sooooooo........

....yes, you got your shiny E-190's..........but you're still flying for regional wages, working conditions and will be for many years to come. Personally, I think that would be a disappointing scenario for most with AA aspirations as true income would remain elusive. Not only that, I could see a lot of animosity between that carriers pilots and AA pilots even though it wouldn't be the "new" regional (or national, if you like that title, which Envoy already is or at least was) pilots fault.

God, so many of you have lost your minds and are now willing to do anything to move yourselves ahead regardless of the damage to the industry or even yourselves in the long run. Simply pathetic. :cool:

It's funny how when people disagree with you, you immediately call them sales men and that no one must be allowed to disagree with them. You also claim we have all lost our mind yet when someone says the same to you, you call them sales men. See the loop?

Oh and here are a few smilies :cool::rolleyes:

Your regional sales manager claims the possibility for envoy to get the 190's. There is your chance to upgrade once and for all! even at $60xhr...

Good Luck!

It's so unfortunate that everyone insist on quoting full rants rather than editing out all but the salient bits, I'm forced to see ignored member's posts.

I couldn't pass up this gem, though.

What's that old adage about thinking you're surrounded by idiots....

Ah, well. I don't think eaglefly is capable of that level of introspection and self awareness.

Half the posts from Envoy pilots here are nothing more then personal attack and baseless at that. Then, when I slouch in the same direction, I'm even MORE the "bad boy".

....and you wonder my I respond in that way sometimes ?

90% of the flack I get comes from ONE source which comprises perhaps a dozen specific pilots who are active in that respect on multiple forums and social media sites.

If the shoe fits, you must wear it. ;)

An educated man. Now I know I hate him.😜