Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1939438)

30 a month only happens if the monthly class is at least 60 new hires.

Example:

New hires = 40, we get 20
New hires = 50, we get 25
New hires = 80, we get 40 which may be withheld to 30

You need a class size of 60 new hires or more to get the 30.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1939651)

It says as he stated. 50% of new hires, but may be withheld down to 30 people (once the 175s start to show up, right now it is 20). They don't have to withhold, but what are the odds of that?

Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1939682)

What is the DOH of eagle pilots getting a class at AA?

Originally Posted by use2fly (Post 1939722)

So you are staying at Envoy, (a company that you hate) so you can flow to AA (a company that you think has a rinky dink training program that can't handle 40-50 new hires) because why? Just curious.

Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1939757)

I think AA is an awful airline with a horrible corporate culture. If friends and family ask for my opinion I always advise them to buy a ticket on other airlines (JetBlue, Spirit, a foreign airline, etc.) because I know that they will enjoy their travel experience much more that way.

However, they also pay quite a bit more then other jobs out there. So as for me, as much as I despise the manner in which AAG is run, I'm sticking around. Money talks.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1939771)

Have you ever ridden in the back of Spirit? They treat their employees fairly well, but not their passengers.

Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1939757)

I think AA is an awful airline with a horrible corporate culture. If friends and family ask for my opinion I always advise them to buy a ticket on other airlines (JetBlue, Spirit, a foreign airline, etc.) because I know that they will enjoy their travel experience much more that way.

However, they also pay quite a bit more then other jobs out there. So as for me, as much as I despise the manner in which AAG is run, I'm sticking around. Money talks.

Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1939757)

I think AA is an awful airline with a horrible corporate culture. If friends and family ask for my opinion I always advise them to buy a ticket on other airlines (JetBlue, Spirit, a foreign airline, etc.) because I know that they will enjoy their travel experience much more that way.

However, they also pay quite a bit more then other jobs out there. So as for me, as much as I despise the manner in which AAG is run, I'm sticking around. Money talks.

Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 1939857)

You really don't refer people to spirit do you. As a passenger spirit is hands down the worse exp.

Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 1939857)

You really don't refer people to spirit do you. As a passenger spirit is hands down the worse exp.

Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1907848)

Have you applied to United and Delta? How has that worked out for you so far? You claim Jr CAs are moving to better places....where? Spirit? JetBlue? That may be better than the Regionals...but it's not mainline. And even then, it's difficult to get on with those airlines.

There are 10,000+ pilots applying to the 3 majors left in the United States. Many of those 10,000+ are already working for an LCC, have more PIC time than most Regional pilots have Total Time...and an Airbus type rating to boot.

You think that you and every other wide eyed Regional pilot will some how magically skip ahead of all of them? How? Because you "really, really want the job!"?

We can be cynical about the flow until we turn blue in the face. And that is fine. Flow was never a tool of any kind in the past. The old AA back in the 90s and early 2000s didn't care about flow nor did they want it. They used it as a way to protect their pilots from furlough (letter 3) and it was never intended to actually flow any significant amount of pilots from Eagle.

That was then. This is now. To quote the infamous Scott Kirby: The world has changed. AA still prefers military pilots but they don't have an aversion to Regional pilots the way they did back in the 90s. The new AA (ex-US Airways) understands what a flow can mean for them going forward. And they have gone "all in" so to speak with Envoy and to a lesser extend Piedmont. Only because Piedmont is smaller.

You guys who keep dismissing the flow based on how it worked or didn't work 20 years ago are committing a huge fallacy. The worse thing a professional can do in any industry is be stuck in the past and not adapt to the changing environment around them.

Case and point: Still thinking that the majors will come barrel rolling through your bedroom wall when you hit the magical "1,000 hours of PIC time!".... it doesn't work that way. It never has and even less so today. Living with that in your head will only mean you are at the back of the line as your peers flow up to mainline with no interview.

Take it or leave it. People can listen to trolls like eaglefly who have ulterior motives or they can be smart about what Regional they choose to fly for. Choosing any Regional because of quickie upgrade times is a very bad move. Going to work for Mesa or Republic is a very bad move.

Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 1939758)

Latest seniority to go to AA in the July class was hired at Eagle in March '99. By the end of year 2015 we are scheduled to be at September '99 hires flowing. End of 2016 projected to be at March '04 seniority.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1940708)

Odd. Some opinions are that they'll flow less than 200 next year.

200 won't make it though the '00 hires.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1940708)

Odd. Some opinions are that they'll flow less than 200 next year.

200 won't make it though the '00 hires.

Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 1940744)

If they flow less than 200 next year all CA's move up to the next pay step.

Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 1940883)

I'm hearing the hiring numbers are up. Is it true there is a class of 20 next month?


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Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 1940883)

I'm hearing the hiring numbers are up. Is it true there is a class of 20 next month?


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Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 1940883)

I'm hearing the hiring numbers are up. Is it true there is a class of 20 next month?


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Originally Posted by maveric311 (Post 1940651)

Since 2013 envoy has sent 67% of all new hires to AA. What pile do you want to be in? The guaranteed flow? Or the 10,000 other guys with the same quals? Coming to envoy right now would be a good move for prospective new hires. It might take some time in the beginning. However, envoy beats working for outfits that are less safe and could wind up getting you violated on your quest for the magical 1,000 hours of TPIC.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1940881)

220 is the number. If they don't flow 220, then no pay caps that year. Unlike the March TA, under the Dec TA if the flow doesn't work by sending at least 220 each year, we still have our old pay steps.
This "snap back" type of step up only applies to those in property at DOS. So it's not perfect.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1940708)

Odd. Some opinions are that they'll flow less than 200 next year.

200 won't make it though the '00 hires.

Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1940994)

I had a AA jump seater the other day. He told me that when he flowed to AA he got to keep his Eagle date of hire for seniority. Are the flows now getting that?

Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 1940952)

Are you really that gullible or are you just trying to "sell" envoy to potential new hires for your own personal benefit?

The flow(s) were not crafted as some kind of benevolent gift to envoy and Piedmont pilots, rewarding them for slogging through 3 to 6 years (or 16 years as is currently the case) at their regional airline(s). No. It was designed to replace $125,000/year Captains with $65,000/year Captains and to replace $60,000 (9 year) First Officers with brand new $22,000 First Officers.

Why would mainline AAG hire from their own regionals instead of recruiting pilots from XJT, RAH, SKW, Commutair, Horizon, etc. in addition to the military and a plethora of 135 and corporate outfits? They have chosen to take financial advantage of the situation and move (a.k.a. "flow") their own highly-paid 16-year regional Captains over the mainline, (where their pay will initially be cut about in half), while drastically reducing pilot labor costs at their regionals.

Now for the news that no one wants to admit: once AAG has maximized their regional pilot cost reductions, via the "flow" and the 12/4 paycaps,...... the flow will slow to a trickle,...... flowing just enough pilots to mainline to keep their regional pilot costs as low as possible.

Do you think Parker, Kirby, Glass, et. al. invented the "flows" because they're nice guys?!?!?! Don't be a fool. They crafted the flow in order to maximize profits and maximize their bonus checks and stock options.

Many of you have written "don't chase the quick upgrade". I say "don't chase the flow!"

Originally Posted by maveric311 (Post 1941334)

If AA is still hiring, they will have a tough time in front of a judge denying the contractual guaranteed flow. Are you really so gullible that anyone with an ATP and 1,000 hours of TPIC will get hired by a major? It's going to take more than that. Especially with the wholly owned carriers occupying half or more of the available slots.

Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 1940952)

Are you really that gullible or are you just trying to "sell" envoy to potential new hires for your own personal benefit?

The flow(s) were not crafted as some kind of benevolent gift to envoy and Piedmont pilots, rewarding them for slogging through 3 to 6 years (or 16 years as is currently the case) at their regional airline(s). No. It was designed to replace $125,000/year Captains with $65,000/year Captains and to replace $60,000 (9 year) First Officers with brand new $22,000 First Officers.

Why would mainline AAG hire from their own regionals instead of recruiting pilots from XJT, RAH, SKW, Commutair, Horizon, etc. in addition to the military and a plethora of 135 and corporate outfits? They have chosen to take financial advantage of the situation and move (a.k.a. "flow") their own highly-paid 16-year regional Captains over the mainline, (where their pay will initially be cut about in half), while drastically reducing pilot labor costs at their regionals.

Now for the news that no one wants to admit: once AAG has maximized their regional pilot cost reductions, via the "flow" and the 12/4 paycaps,...... the flow will slow to a trickle,...... flowing just enough pilots to mainline to keep their regional pilot costs as low as possible.

Do you think Parker, Kirby, Glass, et. al. invented the "flows" because they're nice guys?!?!?! Don't be a fool. They crafted the flow in order to maximize profits and maximize their bonus checks and stock options.

Many of you have written "don't chase the quick upgrade". I say "don't chase the flow!"

Originally Posted by eschukos (Post 1941533)

The real value to mainline, is in pilot recruitment. As long as the flow is working as advertised AAG will have no problem staffing its in house regional feed. As long as the prospect of flowing to AA is attracting new pilots, The flow will continue.

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1941550)

Are they done with the 824 flowing? Me thinks that those past that group can kiss the flow bye.


Good Luck!

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1941555)

Come on, you have bud's over there - you can ask them! Oh but I bet they are all lifers who passed on the flow right.

Hey RJ Pilot, ask me if I've upgraded yet! Flying into anymore closed airports?

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1941566)

Yes, my sources are friends that passed the flow. Why give up a 120K a year job with QOL to go on reserve at AA?

Good Luck!

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1941576)

I dunno, flying a GV into closed airports seems like a hoot. Why havent you given them the hook ups? Some friend you are... Im sure youre the CEO of "RJ Pilot Flight Ops" and can give them their own CA position. Rumors of the new Global Express true?

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1941591)

Why the attacks? I just asked a simple question about flows.


Good Luck!

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1941566)

Yes, my sources are friends that passed the flow. Why give up a 120K a year job with QOL to go on reserve at AA?

Good Luck!