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snippercr 08-19-2015 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952473)
Just enough to put a damp on the flow. Thanks for the valuable info!


Good Luck!

Good info RJ Pilot ! We believe you !

N927EV 08-19-2015 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952473)
Just enough to put a damp on the flow. Thanks for the valuable info!


Good Luck!

What defunct airports are you flying for Microsoft flight sim GIV into this week? Are you going to be out of the basement in time for dinner tonight?

Good luck!

snippercr 08-19-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1952481)
What defunct airports are you flying for Microsoft flight sim GIV into this week? Are you going to be out of the basement in time for dinner tonight?

Good luck!

I think he gets a tray delivered . You know, just like REAL GV pilots! PBJ with the crusts cut off

RJ Pilot 08-19-2015 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1952481)
What defunct airports are you flying for Microsoft flight sim GIV into this week? Are you going to be out of the basement in time for dinner tonight?

Good luck!

Why the personal attacks? Not liking the facts?



Good Luck!

Smutter 08-19-2015 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952473)
Just enough to put a damp on the flow. Thanks for the valuable info!


Good Luck!

I have to say, you kind of are a scummy person. You act like you left, so then why do you waste your time with eagle. 2. You sound like a dick. If you did move on, then move on. You remind of the college kid that shows up at high school to say hi. I agree with the last guy though you sure as hell don't fly a g5.

RJ Pilot 08-19-2015 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1952484)
I think he gets a tray delivered . You know, just like REAL GV pilots! PBJ with the crusts cut off

Ahhh but don't you worry. Your Flow might slow down but you guys will get second hand iPads.

That should make it better!


Good Luck!

RJ Pilot 08-19-2015 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 1952486)
I have to say, you kind of are a scummy person. You act like you left, so then why do you waste your time with eagle. 2. You sound like a dick. If you did move on, then move on. You remind of the college kid that shows up at high school to say hi. I agree with the last guy though you sure as hell don't fly a g5.

You are right. The boss is considering a 7X.


Good Luck!

snippercr 08-19-2015 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952494)
You are right. The boss is considering a 7X.


Good Luck!

We believe you !

HobGoblin 08-19-2015 11:56 AM

Reserve is 4 years at envoy! Tide is turning!

RJ Pilot 08-19-2015 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 1952553)
Reserve is 4 years at envoy! Tide is turning!

For CA's or FO's?

Good Luck!

jdflyer1999 08-19-2015 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952494)
You are right. The boss is considering a 7X.


Good Luck!

Tell the boss it's not that expensive
http://www.wilcopub.com/falcon-7x-fsx-p3d-6853.html

HobGoblin 08-19-2015 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952580)
For CA's or FO's?

Good Luck!

Oh I imagine it's longer for captains

RJ Pilot 08-19-2015 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 1952588)
Oh I imagine it's longer for captains

That stinks!

Good Luck!

use2fly 08-19-2015 01:22 PM

Why do y'all continue to respond to RJ? You are wasting your time and filling my screen with lots of lines that say "This user is on your Ignore List". Stop responding to this child. PLEASE!

HobGoblin 08-19-2015 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by use2fly (Post 1952624)
Why do y'all continue to respond to RJ? You are wasting your time and filling my screen with lots of lines that say "This user is on your Ignore List". Stop responding to this child. PLEASE!

In this one small exception, he had a valid question. I didn't specify that reserve FO is at 4 years, where as I imagine the time for captains to hold a line exceeds 4 years after upgrades. He's still a tit.

RyanP 08-19-2015 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 1952677)
In this one small exception, he had a valid question. I didn't specify that reserve FO is at 4 years, where as I imagine the time for captains to hold a line exceeds 4 years after upgrades. He's still a tit.

Newly upgraded CA's will never hold a line with the shrinkage and lifers. So that makes the math pretty easy. I have been a CA for 2 years and am bottom RSV still. Can't hold anything I choose, can't get anything I proffer for, or get any days off I want. Progress forward is ZERO as more people are on RSV above me each month, not less.

So you can stay a senior FO and have a life amd be broke, or upgrade and have 7 days off a month, never see a weekend off again, get a trickle of PIC time and make more money. Both choices pretty much suck.

eaglefly 08-19-2015 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1952695)
Newly upgraded CA's will never hold a line with the shrinkage and lifers. So that makes the math pretty easy. I have been a CA for 2 years and am bottom RSV still. Can't hold anything I choose, can't get anything I proffer for, or get any days off I want. Progress forward is ZERO as more people are on RSV above me each month, not less.

So you can stay a senior FO and have a life amd be broke, or upgrade and have 7 days off a month, never see a weekend off again, get a trickle of PIC time and make more money. Both choices pretty much suck.

But with your seniority, one of your reps insists you'll be at AA very soon. If it is supposed to take 6 years for today's Envoy new-hire, you should be sitting pretty at AA in 2 years or so.

According to this source, considering AA retirements, nothing can go wrong and your future is assured.

RJ Pilot 08-19-2015 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1952695)
Newly upgraded CA's will never hold a line with the shrinkage and lifers. So that makes the math pretty easy. I have been a CA for 2 years and am bottom RSV still. Can't hold anything I choose, can't get anything I proffer for, or get any days off I want. Progress forward is ZERO as more people are on RSV above me each month, not less.

So you can stay a senior FO and have a life amd be broke, or upgrade and have 7 days off a month, never see a weekend off again, get a trickle of PIC time and make more money. Both choices pretty much suck.

Why don't you run for a cushy Union position? You can get all those perks (while on Captains pay) by basically doing nothing. Holidays off/ weekends off.

Good Luck!

Al Czervik 08-19-2015 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952494)
You are right. The boss is considering a 7X.


Good Luck!

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Cujo665 08-19-2015 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952443)
Increase Flow? Your pilots are touting 17-18 flows a month for the rest of the year. Same or less actually for next year due to the increase on recalls.

Good Luck!

Which is still more than the 50%. They're doing 68% currently.

They say Next year is projected to be 240-250 flows from ENY. So far they've done better than agreed.... Which is more than we can say for you

RJ Pilot 08-21-2015 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1952863)
Which is still more than the 50%. They're doing 68% currently.

They say Next year is projected to be 240-250 flows from ENY. So far they've done better than agreed.... Which is more than we can say for you

So, 15 for next month is what Ive heard. At that pace, it will take more than 6yrs for a new hire to flow.

Ya'll getting played again!

Good Luck!

AnotherEagleGuy 08-22-2015 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1954239)

Ya'll getting played again!

Good Luck!

The only ones getting played are the ones who take you seriously. Whoops, never mind, nobody does. My bad.

If you tried hard enough, you might someday not be seen as a tool.

Good luck!

PDTpilotXX 08-22-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1954239)
So, 15 for next month is what Ive heard. At that pace, it will take more than 6yrs for a new hire to flow.

Ya'll getting played again!

Good Luck!

That's pretty awesome for a newhire. Here at PDT it's about 5.5 for a newhire to flow. Both are incredible considering what most of us have been through.

RJ Pilot 08-22-2015 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1952863)
Which is still more than the 50%. They're doing 68% currently.

They say Next year is projected to be 240-250 flows from ENY. So far they've done better than agreed.... Which is more than we can say for you

Yeah, keep talking percentage numbers...I think your troops are finally seeing the hog wash that you and the company is selling.


Good Luck!

Cujo665 08-22-2015 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1952754)
Why don't you run for a cushy Union position? You can get all those perks (while on Captains pay) by basically doing nothing. Holidays off/ weekends off.

Good Luck!

Good luck yourself

I've worked every holiday this past year.... and what's a weekend? You simply have no idea about anything you pontificate about.

Cujo665 08-22-2015 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1954676)
Yeah, keep talking percentage numbers...I think your troops are finally seeing the hog wash that you and the company is selling.


Good Luck!

Not selling anything pal; facts speak for themselves. 68% of all AA pilots hired this year came from Envoy. Sorry you got trapped in the lost decade. New pilots have a much brighter future ahead of them.

snippercr 08-22-2015 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1954678)
Good luck yourself

I've worked every holiday this past year.... and what's a weekend? You simply have no idea about anything you pontificate about.

RJ Pilot might feel sad for you, I bet he is home every holiday and weekend! Only does the flying once or twice a week and makes more than twice you do! Isn't that right RJ Pilot? We believe you! Where you off to this week? Someplace tropical I hope!

emb145 08-22-2015 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1954681)
Not selling anything pal; facts speak for themselves. 68% of all AA pilots hired this year came from Envoy. Sorry you got trapped in the lost decade. New pilots have a much brighter future ahead of them.

Cuj, I'm sure you envision yourself as General Patton directing your troops on the battlefield with a slapper stick as explosions launched at you from Envoy management and RJ Pilot are raining down.

In reality, it's more like a Cub Scout leader with a small handful of young kid groupies on here who have had their brains pickled with the elixir of ALPA juice and defend you at every turn.

The Tide Is Turning!

RJ Pilot 08-22-2015 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1954681)
Not selling anything pal; facts speak for themselves. 68% of all AA pilots hired this year came from Envoy. Sorry you got trapped in the lost decade. New pilots have a much brighter future ahead of them.

Ohh thats right. The massive retirements at AA, your fountain of youth crap schitk. But have you discussed with your servants the PBS implementation, the SLI and the aircraft deferrals at AA?

How will this affect the flow?


Good Luck!

snippercr 08-22-2015 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1954704)
Ohh thats right. The massive retirements at AA, your fountain of youth crap schitk. But have you discussed with your servants the PBS implementation, the SLI and the aircraft deferrals at AA?

How will this affect the flow?


Good Luck!

Why don't YOU tell US how it will work!

Don't worry, we believe you!

RJ Pilot 08-22-2015 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1954710)
Why don't YOU tell US how it will work!

Don't worry, we believe you!

Thats YOUR unions job to do.


Good Luck!

AdiosMikeFox 08-22-2015 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by emb145 (Post 1954698)
with a slapper stick


It's called a riding crop. Sheesh, slapper stick...?

eaglefly 08-22-2015 02:18 PM

I simply can't come to any other conclusion that Cujo is now in Envoy management. I've never seen such an effort by any other supposed union rep to act so aggressively to support and further the interests of his management than this guy aNd that includes the past trio of CLR minions that he used to be so critical of. IMO, either he has an undiagnosed brain tumor that has drastically altered his personality and perception or they have him in such a state of supppressed terror that he is willing to parrot anything that serves their interests on the various media sites social and otherwise.

He goes way above and beyond the call of duty to serve the interests of those strongarming his pilot group and that is undeniable. The only question is why ?

chrisreedrules 08-22-2015 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1954797)
I simply can't come to any other conclusion that Cujo is now in Envoy management. I've never seen such an effort by any other supposed union rep to act so aggressively to support and further the interests of his management than this guy aNd that includes the past trio of CLR minions that he used to be so critical of. IMO, either he has an undiagnosed brain tumor that has drastically altered his personality and perception or they have him in such a state of supppressed terror that he is willing to parrot anything that serves their interests on the various media sites social and otherwise.

He goes way above and beyond the call of duty to serve the interests of those strongarming his pilot group and that is undeniable. The only question is why ?

I'm pretty sure that has been obvious for a long time.

RJ Pilot 08-22-2015 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1954801)
I'm pretty sure that has been obvious for a long time.

Someone told me they have him by his balls. Borderline canned. Want to clear that up Cuj?


Good Luck!

snippercr 08-23-2015 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1954713)
Thats YOUR unions job to do.


Good Luck!

I don't know you seem pretty content on doing it and telling us like it is.

As I've said, we believe you !

deepwater 08-23-2015 09:01 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't corporate pilots--- like RJ--- work at the whim of the employer--- which is in essence a kind of glorified reserve ? Traditionally, business cycles have not been kind to corporate drivers. If the market continues to tank, his boss might have to unload some of the fluff.

RJ Pilot 08-23-2015 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by deepwater (Post 1955190)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't corporate pilots--- like RJ--- work at the whim of the employer--- which is in essence a kind of glorified reserve ? Traditionally, business cycles have not been kind to corporate drivers. If the market continues to tank, his boss might have to unload some of the fluff.

You are absolutely correct. However, your best bet is if you want to do corporate, is to fly for a well off family in a part 91 environment. More points if their flight dept has been set for decades.


Good Luck!

snippercr 08-24-2015 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1955358)
You are absolutely correct. However, your best bet is if you want to do corporate, is to fly for a well off family in a part 91 environment. More points if their flight dept has been set for decades.


Good Luck!

And that's you I take it? Hey are the rumors of them getting a GLEX true? Would you ever move to that or is your butt grove set in that GV?

And by "them getting a GLEX" I of course mean if your hard drive has enough room for the add on with the animated control surfaces and different interior skins.

Cujo665 08-25-2015 11:43 AM

Vacancy bid initial reports are unofficially the most junior upgrade went to a 10-2007 Date of Hire


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