That's not true, I stand alone. How dare you!

Good Luck.

Anyone else hear Mesa is seriously dropping the ball in DFW and may be kicked to the curb?


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My sources confirm this and envoy training department is ramping up on CRJ and 175 instructors.

It's a known fact that Mesa in DFW delays flights for multiple hours and goes to great lengths to not cancel flights. This has been going on for months. Typical delays are 2+ hours on VFR days.

Fortunately, their total interview process is still under 20 minutes!

Yes, this is true. Word is getting around and apparently AA crews who commute are really up in arms about Mesa. Not really sure what the long term effect of this will be or how it will all shake out...but it looks like Mesa's DFW flying is in serious question now.

Also, Republic's MIA flying is raising some eyebrows at AA...to say the least. Between Mesa in DFW and Republic in MIA I would say Envoy just happens to be at the right place at the right time....with the right aircraft (E-175).

I'd love to know where you're MIA info is coming from. Just because you tell yourself something over and over doesn't make it true. RAH ops in MIA are expanding, not the other way. Our over water exemption is set to be finalized next month, so more routes will be starting out MIA. No hate on any envoy guys, but I don't see a RAH pull out of MIA anytime soon.

Same with Mesa. Don't see them leaving DFW anytime soon.

Did someone spiked that punch?

I talk to MIA commuters and experience MIA ops and Republic isn't any worse then Envoy was reliability-wise. No comment on Mesa in DFW, but remember they're not big for AA there. The eventual demise of Mesa for AA isn't a bombshell that will change Envoy's major conundrums and that's commitment from AAG and demonstration that commitment will draw the flies to their honey.

Just propaganda from the usual suspects..........

AAG don't care about the flights or customers. Just do it cheaper than the other guy. Parker and company only care if wall street is happy. When wall street gets upset then the employees should watch out because it's never parkers fault.

MIA AA OPS or MIA AE Ops?? Two different operations and not related at all.

It's coming from the company. It's no secret Republic is having staffing issues among other problems. It seems it has begun to affect their MIA flying. I haven't been based in MIA for almost a year but from everyone I speak to it's an issue. I have heard similar things from our DFW CPO. At Envoy we are also doing more and more MIA flying...more than I have seen in a while. Many of our July lines are a deadhead sandwich to MIA....Deadhead on AA at the beginning and end of the trip.

Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.

I have three friends that left for both mesa and republic over the last year. They had all been at envoy for less than 2 years. They all had the same story...envoy won't be here in a year from now and I will upgrade in a year at Mesa and I can fly a nice new 175 at republic. They all missed their bonuses in January and they all still hate where they are now just like they did before at envoy. Ironically, all three are seriously considering reapplying at envoy and wish they never would have left. I wish them the best!

Republic's issues are well known, and staffing has been a hot topic here for quite some time. However, the MIA operation is in pretty good shape, the majority of the cancelations were and continue to be on the S5 side of the house and had little to do with the AE flying. RAH also preemptively scaled back operations to mitigate staffing which could account for the slight uptick in envoy operations out of MIA. The continued expansion of RAH routes out of MIA just doesn't signal disapproval from the top, at least not to me...

The moral to this thread is just block everyone with a dissenting view. Soon Cujo, N92 whatever, etc. Will just be able to serenade each other with nothing but milk and honey and great news for eagle.

If you can't see bad news it doesn't exist right?

eaglefly doesn't provide "dissenting" views. If you are unable to distinguish that from what he does than you are dumber than I ever thought.

If you would like you are free to hijack as many threads as you want and cry about how much you hated flying airplanes, made the wrong career choice, and go on a rant about how horrible life was with the airlines. Then you can tell us how great it is to work for mom & dad at your non-aviation job that allows you to surf the internet all day while drinking diet pepsi.

I am very happy with my life and I do enjoy Diet Pepsi. My advice to you is find a better job, don't try to survive on hopes and dreams that will never come true at Eagle.

Eaglefly posts his perspective as do you, Cujo, etc. Only time will tell who was right but it's fairly obvious Cujo has an agenda. If Cujo doesn't flow he doesn't get hired anywhere. No major is going to hire an obese late 40s trouble maker so it's in his best interest to sell eagle as hard as he can until he flows to AA, after that...Good luck!

Stop right there....just stop. Nobody on this forum needs advice from a person who became a pilot despite the fact that he hates to fly...then proceeded to demonstrate the emotional maturity of a 12 year old girl...crying at every opportunity about how horrible his life was and unsure what step to take next.

Most of us are grown men and know exactly what we want in life and how to achieve our goals. The last thing we need is "advice" from someone who is as unsure of himself and his life as you are.

Welcome to the dark side of capitalism. The whole country is for profit, including education and health care. Profits and bonuses over quality.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I've never been more sure in my life about anything as I am of my decision to leave aviation. I hope your airline career works out for you, although for most stuck in the regional quagmire it won't. I don't think you'll achieve your goals though hiding from unpleasant realities and refusing to listen to opposing viewpoints.

So does Eaglefly. He wants Envoy to fail and get no new hires now that he is finally at AA. It benefits him for all the regionals to fail now that he got out, plus he is still seriously butthurt over his long regional stint and it taking so long for him to flow. Ever heard of pulling up the ladder behind you.

Im sure he wasn't a "scope salesman" yet when his livlihood still depended on it at Eagle.

I've heard of that, but that's not what that means. Envoy failing or all regionals failing (highly unlikely) is not pulling up the ladder behind you.

No, what I am talking about is EXACTLY what it means. "I got mine, I'm safe now so F everyone else below me at my old company".

Nobody but Regional lifers want the regionals to continue to erode mainline. That's not the point.

What's what is he supposed to do? Wish Envoy to get bigger? Wish for growth at other regionals? The only way for the ladder to NOT get pulled up at mainline in the current pilot environment is for regionals to shirk. For some, it'll mean insolvency. That's capitalism baby.

Envoy to get 100% flow to AA? More like 0% for June. How is that possible you didn't get any June spots but PSA and PDT both sent flows over?

NicE try...but let's get a couple of things straight.

Piedmont flowed 3. PSA has NO flow. They have 5 interviews which means 2 didn't make it since only 3 are going for July.Things are even worse than originally thought.


In regards to Envoy, there were never going to be flows in July. This was determined months ago. These 6 are strictly to the U.S. Air side. The AA side took the deferrals for July.

No big conspiracy and nothing we didn't already know. Except you just highlighted for all to see how pathetic PSA's "flow" is. They only get 5 interviews per month which is a 25 year wait for any new hire..and now that's even worse seeing as how not all 5 even pass the interview.

I'm siding with Dunkin on this one: Between PSA and PDT, there were 6 new hires. Our language says 50% of new hire classes. We should have flowed 6 minimum this month and we flowed ZERO. The company told us not too long ago to expect 5 flow for this month. We were lied to and as usual, the flow is not working as designed.

No arguments with you there...the company lies. As every airline lies...it's not unique to AA/US Airways.

Here is the thing, and it's a bit of bollocks: Those 6 from PSA/PDT went to the US Air side. Until the two seniority lists are 100% integrated our flow language only applies to the AA side. Don't mistake that with the ability to be assigned to the US Air side once already on property. After you FLOW and are already an AA pilot you can at that point potentially go to the E190 in PHL for example. But before any of that...as far as strictly the FLOW is concerned our language only applies to the AA side.

So moving forward, it was made VERY clear earlier this year that for any month AA took deferrals they would not take any Envoy flows. We love to think that a training department is capable of taking an unlimited number of new-hires per month but that isn't the case. There are only so many resources to go around....equipment, classroom space, and instructors. The AA training department is over-taxed as it is with all the new-hires, upgrades, new equipment transfers, not to mention the current issues with the 787.

So it was determined, again long ago, that for any month there were deferrals they would not take any flows for that month. We were told earlier this year this would be in either June or July. The deferrals are only for the AA side, not the US Air side which is why they were still able to take the 3 from PDT and 3 from PSA.

Our flow will resume as normal after July. Also, all the deferrals only have until next year to make their decisions...March or May I believe. I can't remember but it's one of those two. After that they lose their AA seniority forever and it's over.

As I said before...this isn't any big conspiracy and we were told months ago how this would play out. I just wish the Sam or Ray or somebody would nip this one in the bud before it festers any further. I know people like Spanier and Flynn would just add fuel to the fire and spin this thing even further out of control...so I'm not expecting anything out of those two.

PSA is 4 a month. With one guy turning it down last minute again. Still get 3, but don't mislead with how it happened. Same story as usual on why we didn't send the full number.

Seems a little harsh no?

That's so weird. Why would Envoy lie to the pilots?

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True. Wasn't gonna disclose why but figured I'd fix him saying guys are failing. Since that's far from true.

PSA is down to 4 interviews a month from 5? That means your wait to interview is 31 years instead of 25! :eek::eek:

I thought your SSP was supposed to get better, not worse.

Oh well...there's always Frontier.

Good luck!

It was never 5, and it's not interviews it's job offers.

You interview and if pass you get a job offer.

For someone always saying they are all about facts, your lack of information about PSA is astounding. It was never 5, it's always been 4. And to this day there is only one person who was ever actually denied the job that didn't tell them straight up no. I don't know where you keep getting this whole people aren't passing the interview thing from. SSP negotiations are in their final stage before they will be shown to the pilot group as well. Why don't you stop trying to put PSA down to the public with false information and just wish the best for pilots in general. Watching you guys pray for republics fall and constantly making up false claims about PSA is really getting old. I'm not talking about the whole envoy pilot group either, I'm talking specifically about you and a few more of your crew on here.

Since they can no longer prop UP Envoy with fabrications, the only strategy left is to attempt to bring others DOWN with them.

No, they screwed up. You are correct that there were no AA side openings, while there were LUS openings. However, that isn't the standard. It's one certificate, and one JCBA under one union. Our 5 guys should have flowed. Remedy discussions are already taking place.
They've been sending PDT & PSA to LUS and ENY to LAA as a practice for all these months, and when there were no LAA slots they didn't take our 5. It's being addressed to prevent future issues as well.
Once the SLI is done it should become a non issue.

On a personal note.... I wouldn't be surprised if a certain person at AA HR didn't do it on purpose; no way to prove it of course though.